here are few pics

Someone deleted the last topic concerning housing snakes together, we gotta have an open mind when it comes to ideas of herp keeping. If your guys are gonna be deleting topics simply cause you don't agree with it then your gonna be hearing the same stuff over and over. Anyways, here are the pics:http://img13.photobucket.com/albums/...ichsboids4.jpg

http://img13.photobucket.com/albums/...ichsboids3.jpg

http://img13.photobucket.com/albums/...ichsboids2.jpg

http://img13.photobucket.com/albums/...richsboids.jpg

These are not my pics but I did receive permission to use them from the owner(Richard). I house my snakes together but I dont have pics. I hardly take pics of anything, last picture that I took of my self was 5 yrs ago.

those pics are insane.

Insane in a wonderful way, at least I think so.

Thats one of the dumbest things I've ever seen......no doubt about it.

i have to agree there.

hmmm............. :roll: I don't know if I agree with "Richard" (The picture owner). Am I seeing this correctly? Are those three COMPLETELY different genus' being housed together permanently?

Take it how you wish. Imagine if we cared for snakes all by the book without any variation? We wouldn't advance but stay in the same place. I know that you read my last post(the one that got deleted) and like I said I don't recommend the average keeper on doing this.

Actually....its 3 different genuses Jen....scary huh?

lol...yep...:roll:

I don't know if Richard keeps his boids housed permanently but I have before. As a matter of fact I'm housing two bp's together right now. I have also kept bp's with boas housed together.

i wonder how many dogs and cats they've eaten.

Doesn't the guy who owns those snakes go by 'DFR' on other forums? I've seen him get ripped apart on a few other forums, lol.

Yes, but Danny, you must understand. All these species come from 3 COMPLETELY different parts of the world, with three VERY different husbandry techniques required. Not only does it stress the snakes out (which is a whole other thread), but I mean, come on. "Big", reputable breeders don't do this for a reason, that's why if it is "experimented upon" you rarely hear of it because it is so WRONG. Do you think it would be a good idea for me to house my rattlesnake with my ball python (even go ahead and forget about the whole venomous thing, just look at the fact that one is from the DRY Arizona deserts, while the other lives solitarily underground in Africa).

Jennifer

If whoever deleted the last topic hadn't deleted it, you would see all the precautions that I mentioned. I don't like repeating my self, so thank whoever deleted it for not giving you the chance to read it.

Oh, and Danny, just out of curiousity, have you ever heard of IBD (Inclusive Body Disease). I noticed you mentioned that you house your ball python's and boa together. Just get back to me on that, if you would....

Jennifer

People who practice this sort of husbandry care nothing for the animals.....they merely want to experiment and play God.

It really sucks to say it, but I feel I must agree with you there. It's really sad. :cry:

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Oh, and Danny, just out of curiousity, have you ever heard of IBD (Inclusive Body Disease). I noticed you mentioned that you house your ball python's and boa together. Just get back to me on that, if you would....

Jennifer

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Yes, I know what IBD is, I mentioned it in the last topic that was deleted. Why or who deleted it, beats me. David, I know you read it. Be honest didn't I mention IBD along with other problems that can happen?

Yes, you did mention it. BTW...it was Wizill who deleted the other thread....

Okay, so you know. That's a good start. Now, do you care?

Jennifer

Sorry, David...had to be nice.. :|

NP....I understand.

The title of the last topic was "Hope to be a new ball owner, but heres a few ques. first!". Will, you yourself mentioned in that topic positive things about housing snakes together, perharps that's why you deleted it. This isn't the first time you do that, stop being childish homie. Get your s... straight!

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Okay, so you know. That's a good start. Now, do you care?

Jennifer

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Yeah, I care. I quaruantine all my snakes and I know that there's still the risk of IBD. Think of it this way, when you put a male and female together in order to breed, your still risking the chances of IBD since it can remain hidden for years. Not unless you produce your own animals can you be sure of the risks and even then there's always a risk. It's a fact, you can live in all freaked out about it or you can quarantine your animals and make the best of them.

Also, Jennifer what do you mean by "That's a good start"? Your trying to teach me about IBD when I've been keeping boids longer than most of you? Come on now.

But why give it that extra % chance? Is it really that hard to go out and buy a $10 rubbermaid, or aquarium, or build your own enclosure to fit the needs of every individual snake, and not worry about the risk at all (or at least to a minimum)?

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Also, Jennifer what do you mean by "That's a good start"? Your trying to teach me about IBD when I've been keeping boids longer than most of you? Come on now.

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No, I'm gradually asking questions and getting answers, as my own personal choice. I don't want to throw a ton of questions out at you, although I have many. I just really like to know some peoples' views and reasoning on certain subjects.

Cages are not the problem, I have two 4'x2's that are empty. I think the risks are no higher or lesser than the example that I gave you in the previous post.

And you don't have to answer any of the questions if you don't want to, of course. (But I don't see why you wouldn't want to, considering you brought the topic up.)

Your right Jennifer, I'm just pissed off that Will deleted the last thread wich would've probably have answered most of your questions. I'm sorry if I acted ruth, by all means ask me anything that you want to.

Read this link http://www.ball-pythons.net/index.ph...89716d35c49817 it only mentions bp's but it's the same idea and it's on this forum as well :shock: .

But I could see keeping Ball pythons together not being nearly as harmful (even though I still am not into the idea). But keeping entirely different species together is..well.. in my opinion, just asking for trouble. Do what you will; nothing I can say will stop you. :roll:

Good ol' DFR. Somehow...he makes it work.

Sorry for your other post being deleted.

Who's DFR? :? (Sorry, just being nosey) :P

He's the owner of the pics, his user name on pretty much every site is DFR

Ok I have read some good reasons as to why not to house differant species together but look at it like this. All snakes have normal flora inside thier bodies. Alot of these organisms are harmful to other animals, even other reptiles. Even a quarentine period does not get rid of these, nor would you want to get rid of these. Normal flora are needed and in fact we humans have many normal flora too, but it doesn;t mean that we want the snakes normal flora in our bodies. Same way with differant snakes sharing organisms. Water bowls are the main reason organisms are transferred, and therefore by placing more than one animal in a cage with the same water bowl, they are in a sense sharing all those organisms. This is the best reason I would never do it, but hey to each his own.
Jason

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Good ol' DFR. Somehow...he makes it work.

Sorry for your other post being deleted.

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You oughta do something about this Will guy deleting posts just for his convinience, it ain't the first time he does it. Yeah, those are DFR's pics, his name is Rich. I should develop an old film that I have that shows how I housed boas and bp's together before. I've done it before and will do it again.

Trust me, I'm taking care of it.

Thanks, I appreciate it.

I have read DFR's posts elsewhere on less friendly and open-minded forums where he has gotten jumped for this housing arrangement. If I remember correctly,
1) He has been keeping snakes since the 60's
2) These particular snakes have been housed together for six years
3) He houses them this way because he enjoys housing them together, not because he has to
4) He does have other housing available if feeding or health problems develop

Danny, I personally would love to have DFR stop in and tell us about his setup. I know he says it has worked for him long term. I would like to be able to talk with him about it in our FRIENDLY, OPEN-MINDED forums :!:

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I have read DFR's posts elsewhere on less friendly and open-minded forums where he has gotten jumped for this housing arrangement. If I remember correctly,
1) He has been keeping snakes since the 60's
2) These particular snakes have been housed together for six years
3) He houses them this way because he enjoys housing them together, not because he has to
4) He does have other housing available if feeding or health problems develop

Danny, I personally would love to have DFR stop in and tell us about his setup. I know he says it has worked for him long term. I would like to be able to talk with him about it in our FRIENDLY, OPEN-MINDED forums :!:

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Send him a pm on that other forum, he might get back at you. I can't give you his email simply because he said that people often come at him wrong.
Just to clarify a few things, I house my snakes together because I want to, understanding the number of things that can go wrong. I also have extra tanks that are empty in case a problem occurs.

But it is just beyond me why you would want to wait around for a problem TO occur for housing your snakes this way. You're putting your snakes up there in harm's way for no reason. I'm trying to be open minded about this, but I just can't. I can do it for people who house two ball pythons together, or two corn snakes together, but...ugghhh.......This is just insane.

I'm not trying to change your mind nor to argue. This has worked out for me so far, so I'll do my thing and you do yours. Simple as that.

6 years, no problems, everyone eating. I mean, that is a lot more then some of us can say, even housing individually. This is exactly what I mean by going off and on your own path of husbandry. If you follow husbandry by the book, how is there room for improvement?

I don't advise housing together for diff species at all. Because of this risk. But this guy did it so perfectly it worked.

You couldn't have said it better...