Pricing Question (I Promise Ive Checked Kingsnake and Fauna)

So, what do you think are fair prices for male/female yellowbellies het albino and pastel yellowbellies het albino? I havent seen any for sale recently so I dont have anything to go on. Thanks!

What percentage of het for albino and what year? Hatchlings? Seems like yellowbellies, with nothing else, go for between $100 - $200 from what I've seen, depending on age/weight and sex. Albinos range up to $500 from what I've seen, depending again on sex, age/weight, high/low contrast, etc. with visual breeder females going for $1,000 & males for half that. You can ask any price you want but to sell them? I'd shoot for the $450.00 dollar range for a male and $350.00 for a female, were it me. Albinos are great but they're a pretty common morph, as are yellowbellies by themselves. Combined the two genes are nothing too spectacular as far as potential future breedings, especially with a het animal that isn't visual for both morphs. Not talking your animals down in the least, as I like both those morphs very much, by themselves and in combination with other genes but realistically speaking, that's where I would start. See how many offers you get and go from there. You can always come down if need be. I dunno, my two cents, if it's worth even that much, lol!

100% het, will be hatchlings.

A few questions, why would you ask more for the males than the females? Are those prices for the yb het albino or the pastel yb het albino?

Also wondering what you mean by "het animal that isn't visual for both morphs", because I can assure you that the pastel and yb are visual :cool:

I cannot comment on prices of yb het albino stuff... I have little intrest in that project and havent fallowed it.....

As far as males being more than females..... alot of stuff is going that way now a days.... When I came up females were always higher than males, but people started realizing that dom/co-dom stuff males could produce visuals sooner and created competition sooner..... so a yellowbelly het albino could breed several albino het albino females very soon..... especially with high end dom/codom stuff like GHI where new combos are going to be made every year and be extremely valuble...... not only can a male breed sooner but can spread his genes around to alot of females......

Remember when pricing supply and demand.... If you cant find any availible either everyone wants em and buys em up, or they are not that popular......
GOOD LUCK

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Originally Posted by jjmitchell

As far as males being more than females..... alot of stuff is going that way now a days.... When I came up females were always higher than males, but people started realizing that dom/co-dom stuff males could produce visuals sooner and created competition sooner..... so a yellowbelly het albino could breed several albino het albino females very soon..... especially with high end dom/codom stuff like GHI where new combos are going to be made every year and be extremely valuble...... not only can a male breed sooner but can spread his genes around to alot of females......

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I am aware of that, but that trend seems to lean more towards high end/new morphs and seems to be the same no matter what other genes are mixed with it. I was trying to subtly ask if he had accidentally mixed up males and females. I have yet to see a male yb go for more than a female.

Lol! Shoot! I am extremely sorry, I completely overlooked the pastel yellowbelly het albino portion of your question! Sorry! My initial response was for the yellowbelly het albino only. As to why more for the males? They are able to reach breeding weight/size faster than the females and in turn are able to produce a marketable product (babies!) than what a female is; if you're investing a year or so in a male to get him to breeding size versus 2-3 years for a female before you can recoup your investment, then a male would be more valuable, initially, to breed with than what a female would be, hence the higher asking price. Now for a breeding age female, they would obviously be higher than a male, as they could in turn produce more of a marketable product without having to invest years in feeding/waiting for them to mature.

As to the pastel yellowbellies het albino. I really couldn't say on that one, sorry. I paid $900 for a 2012 female firefly (fire x pastel); she's a double co-dom animal and with yours being double co-dom as well as 100% het for a recessive gene...I would think $950 for a female or $1,000 for a male wouldn't be out of the question and might even be a little low, honestly. It would largely depend on the parents; if it's a browned-out, less-than-stellar pastel, I would price it lower. Kind of like a Chevette is a car but it isn't a Corvette, lol! Both are vehicles but only the one is a muscle car; a pastel can be a pastel but it isn't necessarily the best example of that morph, if you follow my drift there. A top-notch pastel and quality yellowbelly with a nicely contrasted albino contributing the het gene, I'd start at a $1,000 on a male and slightly lower for a female.

By being visual for both morphs, I meant that a 100% het animal won't necessarily display visual indicators of that morph (color, pattern etc.), with certain exceptions. So essentially a buyer would be taking you at your word that the animals you are selling are yellowbellies het for albino or pastel yellowbellies het for albino, since they wouldn't be visual albino yellowbellies or visual albino pastel yellowbellies. Does that make sense at all? Sorry, it makes sense in my head

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Originally Posted by youbeyouibei

Lol! Shoot! I am extremely sorry, I completely overlooked the pastel yellowbelly het albino portion of your question! Sorry! My initial response was for the yellowbelly het albino only. As to why more for the males? They are able to reach breeding weight/size faster than the females and in turn are able to produce a marketable product (babies!) than what a female is; if you're investing a year or so in a male to get him to breeding size versus 2-3 years for a female before you can recoup your investment, then a male would be more valuable, initially, to breed with than what a female would be, hence the higher asking price. Now for a breeding age female, they would obviously be higher than a male, as they could in turn produce more of a marketable product without having to invest years in feeding/waiting for them to mature.

As to the pastel yellowbellies het albino. I really couldn't say on that one, sorry. I paid $900 for a 2012 female firefly (fire x pastel); she's a double co-dom animal and with yours being double co-dom as well as 100% het for a recessive gene...I would think $950 for a female or $1,000 for a male wouldn't be out of the question and might even be a little low, honestly. It would largely depend on the parents; if it's a browned-out, less-than-stellar pastel, I would price it lower. Kind of like a Chevette is a car but it isn't a Corvette, lol! Both are vehicles but only the one is a muscle car; a pastel can be a pastel but it isn't necessarily the best example of that morph, if you follow my drift there. A top-notch pastel and quality yellowbelly with a nicely contrasted albino contributing the het gene, I'd start at a $1,000 on a male and slightly lower for a female.

By being visual for both morphs, I meant that a 100% het animal won't necessarily display visual indicators of that morph (color, pattern etc.), with certain exceptions. So essentially a buyer would be taking you at your word that the animals you are selling are yellowbellies het for albino or pastel yellowbellies het for albino, since they wouldn't be visual albino yellowbellies or visual albino pastel yellowbellies. Does that make sense at all? Sorry, it makes sense in my head

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Thanks for taking the time to answer. I am glad your initial estimate was not referring to the pastel ybs or I might have been a bit disappointed :rolleyes:

Actually, both of your ranges were similar to what I was thinking so its good to know that Im not completely pulling prices out of thin air.

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Originally Posted by aalomon

Thanks for taking the time to answer. I am glad your initial estimate was not referring to the pastel ybs or I might have been a bit disappointed :rolleyes:

Actually, both of your ranges were similar to what I was thinking so its good to know that Im not completely pulling prices out of thin air.

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Absolutely! Sorry for my stupidity initially, lol! It strike frequently & at the most inopportune times, lol! :D Good luck with your sales.

Look around at some other combo morphs that are also het for albino. Base your prices on that if you want. I've seen a female pastel het albino for 350 shipped. A black pastel het albino female is going for $500. Black pastel albinos are smokin, so I think it's a fair price.

I would put a yellowbelly het albino at around 300 to 400 since you don't see them too often.

A pastel yellowbelly 100% het albino I would imagine goes for $800 or $900 shipped. I see a super pastel het albino going for $750 currently, but that means 100% of your offspring will be at least pastel ph albino which is pretty cool. A pastel YELLOWBELLY het albino is hard to come by :gj:.

I recently saw a male YB 100% het albino for around $200 on KS. This was about 2 weeks ago. And it was from a reputable breeder, just can't recall who exactly.

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Originally Posted by jinx667

I recently saw a male YB 100% het albino for around $200 on KS.

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Kinda surprised to see that low of a price tag.

Anyhow, can't make any suggestions as to what to price them, but I personally would set a significantly higher price on females...and would actually prefer to keep them if at all possible, or at least raise them up a bit before selling.

Set the price on the high end. If they don't sell, lower it incrementally over a long period of time until they do. The pastel YB het albino is a great snake, so definitely don't undersell it--someone will eventually want it.

However, keep in mind that there's a bit of a 'cash dam' going on right now...people want stuff, but don't have the money for it yet. Once the dam breaks, I think sales will shoot up rapidly.

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Originally Posted by RobNJ

Kinda surprised to see that low of a price tag.

Anyhow, can't make any suggestions as to what to price them, but I personally would set a significantly higher price on females...and would actually prefer to keep them if at all possible, or at least raise them up a bit before selling.

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I was as well, that is why it stuck in my head. I thought about picking it up.

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Originally Posted by h00blah

Look around at some other combo morphs that are also het for albino. Base your prices on that if you want. I've seen a female pastel het albino for 350 shipped. A black pastel het albino female is going for $500. Black pastel albinos are smokin, so I think it's a fair price.

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As I said, I did have a price in mind but I still wanted to post a thread to see what other people thought. Setting a price is useless if no one else thinks thats what theyre worth!

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Originally Posted by jinx667

I recently saw a male YB 100% het albino for around $200 on KS. This was about 2 weeks ago. And it was from a reputable breeder, just can't recall who exactly.

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Hoping he went fast :oops:

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Originally Posted by RobNJ

Kinda surprised to see that low of a price tag.

Anyhow, can't make any suggestions as to what to price them, but I personally would set a significantly higher price on females...and would actually prefer to keep them if at all possible, or at least raise them up a bit before selling.

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I was leaning towards a much higher pricetag with the females too, thats one reason I was so surprised the first few people who were responding thought the males would be higher...

...and yes, I seriously doubt all of the females will be leaving.

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Originally Posted by youbeyouibei

As to why more for the males? They are able to reach breeding weight/size faster than the females and in turn are able to produce a marketable product (babies!) than what a female is; if you're investing a year or so in a male to get him to breeding size versus 2-3 years for a female before you can recoup your investment, then a male would be more valuable, initially, to breed with than what a female would be, hence the higher asking price.

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This logic is why males should (and usually are) cheaper than females. You have to have a male and female to produce, either way double codom to normal or codom to codom will take the same amount of time. One male can breed multiple females. Supply and demand would mean females are in higher demand since you need more of them. And supply would be the same since theoretically you should produce the same amount of males and females.
Females=higher price unless you have $20k+ to drop on a new morph.

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Originally Posted by jinx667

I recently saw a male YB 100% het albino for around $200 on KS. This was about 2 weeks ago. And it was from a reputable breeder, just can't recall who exactly.

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That sounds about right to me. YB's are cheap...and Albino's have been around forever and are fairly cheap. I would basically go with whatever the base morph sells for, plus a hundred bucks or so for the het part...

Yep. I have a male available for much less than $200. Genetics and difficulty of production are a big factor. Het albino males are anywhere from free-$50. YB males $25-75. I think breeders involved in this project are looking at the big picture of the albino ivory.

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Originally Posted by Brandon Osborne

Yep. I have a male available for much less than $200. Genetics and difficulty of production are a big factor. Het albino males are anywhere from free-$50. YB males $25-75. I think breeders involved in this project are looking at the big picture of the albino ivory.

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Might have been yours that I saw then. He is a good looking little guy too, with a neat, busy pattern.

After some time, you'll be able to get a semi accurate answer to yoru question at www.snakemarket.com - It's a database that is collecting ads for balls and offering up a list with prices that were in the ad.

A YB Het pied was listed at $850 recently....I would think it should come in slightly less than that, with the Patel/YB het at a hundred or two more.

Thanks, Robert, that's a very cool idea.

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Originally Posted by RobertVDK

After some time, you'll be able to get a semi accurate answer to yoru question at www.snakemarket.com - It's a database that is collecting ads for balls and offering up a list with prices that were in the ad.

A YB Het pied was listed at $850 recently....I would think it should come in slightly less than that, with the Patel/YB het at a hundred or two more.

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I think the het Pied gene is a bit more sought after than having the het albino gene. I could be biased though. Pieds are about double what albinos are. I think a fair price for YB het albinos would be $125-150 for males and $200-250 for females. Just my opinion. Ask for more. You can always come down.

I'm going to respectfully disagree on some of those prices...

Mojave het albino (f) tends to sell for around ~$1000 due to its combos; the price of a normal visual isn't usually a good indicator (with albinos being $300-500). The YB will be useful for people going after really high end albino yellowbelly combos (for albino pumas and highways, for example), and the pastel YB will be VERY useful.

YB is a hot gene right now with the YB combos.

Pastel het albino
Male -- $200
Female -- $400

Yellowbelly het albino
Male -- $300ish (the logic is that the male spark/gravel etc is more expensive and he can breed multiple yellowbellies for the cheapest way of producing the YB combos)
Female -- $600

Pastel YB het albino
Male -- $500ish
Female -- $1500


If you undersell yourself, that'd suck. If you overshoot the price, you lose nothing. You can keep lowering the price until someone bites.