Weird outcome Champagne pairing

I got a little ID-problem with one of my hatchlings.
The pairing was Champagne x 'normal' and that gave me this girl:
http://img804.imageshack.us/img804/9...eelding032.jpg


The rest of the clutch:
http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/7...elding034e.jpg

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/881...elding036x.jpg

http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/3...elding047y.jpg

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/9...eelding056.jpg

Sire:
http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/6...elding002v.jpg

Dame:
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/7...lding001up.jpg

Now, as you probably can understand, I`m wondering what's going on with this girl.
Is she just a really weird Champagne or......!?

I`m hoping someone can tell me more about this.

Thank you in advance.

Best regards,

Jordi

Well he is an odd looking little guy isnt he? sorry I'm no help but congrats!

that is a weird thing to see come out , it kinda looks like a Gen Stripe Champ . very nice looking snake tho regardless congrats

Wow that's pretty cool. Looks like you need to keep some of those.


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Very Cool! Almost looks like an Albino Champagne but the eyes aren't red.

what ever she is, she is cool:gj::gj:

wow thats one wicked champagne, a keeper for sure.

Champagnes are extremely variable. Looks like a super high orange. Look at the head of your champagne sire. It's also extremely orange :gj:.

I think it is just Champagne variation. Very nice ones though. I REALLLY like the dark one.

Make sure to post more pics after they shed :)

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Aside from what everybody else has said. I would pair those animals up again next year. Also put the male to another female. It looks like there are some genetic traits being passed on there.

How much do you want for it ;)

I've got bad news :(

I found her dead in her tub earlier this day :(

I don't know why she died but the rumors go she possibly is/was a Super Champagne.
This was told to me after I posted pics at Facebook:

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i think its pretty interesting. she could possibly have been a super champagne. u sometimes get supers from a normal het animal. happens a lot with motley boas, hg womas and cinnis. i basically think this because she pretty much looks like a spider champ/ a woma champ/ a hg woma champ. they all look like her so its possible that the super looks like this also. its suspected that the super is a lethal combo also which would explain why she died. i know someone who bred champ x champ and had one animal dead in the egg. it looked similar to this one but back then he thought they color just didnt developed enough. a few other people have bred champ x champ this season so who knows- maybe we know this season.

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Sorry for your lose. Hope all the others continue to do well for you.

Ive always thought Champagne was a Dominant gene, not Co-Dom..

Trey

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Sorry for your loss, that was an amazing looking animal.

That is sad to hear. She could have also just been poorly developed in some way that was both fatal and changed the color. Hard to say.

Thank you all for your sympathy.

The rest of the clutch after shedding;

http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/2...03postshed.jpg

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/5...03postshed.jpg

http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/2...02postshed.jpg

http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/2...04postshed.jpg

The other 2 Champs are super nice. I prefer the darker ones!

They are all developing well. The striped normal looks very cool too. :gj:

Gorgeous animal, fascinating visuals, sorry to hear of the loss.

Interesting theory, about the super champagne. I suppose a genetic glitch could occur on occasion that would cause a super to appear from a normal breeding. (Like hatching a BEL from a lesser to normal pairing). Extremely rare, though.

There seem to be far fewer dominant ball python mutations than there are incomplete dominant ones, and people are extremely quick to label a mutation 'dominant' if they don't see a super form appear in a few breedings.

A morph is only dominant if you can get a super form that looks exactly like the single gene form, but produces 100% morphs when bred to a normal. Otherwise, it hasn't been proven to be dominant. For example, the spider morph--NOT dominant. The absence of any super at all, identical or different, tells us that it's not a dominant mutation. If it were, the super would be identical to a single-gene spider...not missing completely.

So, if no super champagne (that produces all champagnes when bred to a non-champ) has been produced, then it's not proven dominant. It COULD be another co-dom with a lethal super form. Considering how squirrely some champagne combos seem to be, it's not unlikely.

I don't have any champs, but if you ask me it looks like a hypo champ aka Mimosa :)

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I don't have any champs, but if you ask me it looks like a hypo champ aka Mimosa :)

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That was my first impression. Sorry for the loss, it was stunning snake.

I really like the last one. Beautiful clutch. I'm sorry for your loss. He/she was beautiful. Dad looks great too!! ;)