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butter?
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what do you guys think?
looks like a butter to me. belly is totally clear. eyes are black. very fat, seems full of eggs to me but i was told it was a male. have to go get it probed.
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i own 1 and have probably only seen a handful in person. So i am far from a good judge.
But from pictures etc... Im inclined to say no.
What do the sides look like?
Are you thinking of buying this snake?
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i just got it in a trade. guy said it was a lesser woma. i am not super inclined to believe its a two gene-r but i definitely think it is in the BEL complex.
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From the first picture I would say no, but the second picture looks somewhat like a Lesser Woma
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The first picture is a no for me. The coloring is really strange...
And the CL one, maybe... But its still difficult to tell.
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Considering hes calling it a woma i would stray away. To me it doesnt look like a butter or lesser.
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I'm not familiar with woma, but I have a butter and she looks nothing like that. :confused:
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I would say normal. Doesnt look like a lesser or butter, and it doesnt have the head stamp of a lesser woma.
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Re: butter?
IMHO thats not a woma, lesser, butter or any combo of them.
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Neither lesser or Woma.
Red Flag #1 -CRAIGSLIST!
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Looks like a normal to me.
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Nothing like a lesser woma... Nice looking normal though, a lesser woma would have gotten much more than 250 at that size especially. Lessers alone are worth more than that at that size.
Big big red flag.
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I didn't read all the way thru the thread because as soon as I saw the sac ad I knew what was up. These people are claiming to be a non profit reptile rescue and then they take in reptiles and flip them for hundreds of dollars. I already contacted that Guy letting him know when he posted that snake as a lesser ghost, that it was not that. He has reposted the same snake a few times changing what morph it is. He said he knew nothing about ball pythons or their morphs and was going off what someone told him. They have like 6 ads up from BPs to Burmese to red tails. These people are bad news...
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Re: butter?
That looks like a normal all day long to me.
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Zombie, are u in sacramento? i will take some more comparison shots outside this evening. i would say this guy is great if you are looking for a normal or possible dinker ball python and have herp equipment to trade. he has no grasp of genetics whatsoever - i've tried explaining basic genetics to him several times, tried to explain that he doesn't have any lessers, to which he replies "this snake is PART lesser". like most pet stores, its important as a knowledgeable ball python keeper/breeder to disregard 99% percent of what they (the pet stores) say, like "this ball python is too young to sex", etc etc. and i know the snakes i get from him are going to a good home (my house).
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I'm also in the Sac area. I've seen this reptile 'rescue' a year or so back. I recall them posting 'wanted' ads for reptiles.
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Re: butter?
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Originally Posted by hypersomniacjoo
Zombie, are u in sacramento? i will take some more comparison shots outside this evening. i would say this guy is great if you are looking for a normal or possible dinker ball python and have herp equipment to trade. he has no grasp of genetics whatsoever - i've tried explaining basic genetics to him several times, tried to explain that he doesn't have any lessers, to which he replies "this snake is PART lesser". like most pet stores, its important as a knowledgeable ball python keeper/breeder to disregard 99% percent of what they (the pet stores) say, like "this ball python is too young to sex", etc etc. and i know the snakes i get from him are going to a good home (my house).
Why would you want to continue giving this person business support (business = money = more animals for him to be ignorant about and potentially mistreat), if he is outright lying in his ads? How is that any different than buying a dehydrated, underfed BP from a big box pet store, allowing and encouraging them to continue the practice?
(I am, of course, assuming that you two are referring to the same seller.)
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Quote:
Originally Posted by hypersomniacjoo
Zombie, are u in sacramento? i will take some more comparison shots outside this evening. i would say this guy is great if you are looking for a normal or possible dinker ball python and have herp equipment to trade. he has no grasp of genetics whatsoever - i've tried explaining basic genetics to him several times, tried to explain that he doesn't have any lessers, to which he replies "this snake is PART lesser". like most pet stores, its important as a knowledgeable ball python keeper/breeder to disregard 99% percent of what they (the pet stores) say, like "this ball python is too young to sex", etc etc. and i know the snakes i get from him are going to a good home (my house).
I am in elk grove. I have emailed him a bunch of times. I have absolutely no problems with someone selling their animals, as I am a business and do the same. However, when someone claims to be a non profit reptile rescue and then sells animals for hundreds of dollars and claims they have genetics that they don't, that's an issue. First of all, claiming your a non profit rescue is illegal if you are not in fact a 501c. The second thing is selling a lesser, then a lesser ghost, then a lesser woma that are all the same exact snake is lying and wrong. Especially when you have someone in the industry contact you and let you know that your selling an animal that isn't what your advertising. If they want to be a reptile rescue then fine, do it the right way. Asking $600 for normal red tail Boas and an additional $200 for an enclosure for them is not a "rehoming" or "adoption" fee, its a selling price. If you are taking in unwanted reptiles for free or for a small delivery fee (as they state) and turn around and sell it for hundreds more, that's wrong. Doing it under the reuse of a non profit orginization is illegal.
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I also emailed the 'rescue' politely informing him of the mis- labeled animal.
I got this in reply, "we had a ball python specialist come down its not like we are maken it up."
*cough* specialist *cough*
(And yes...he said "maken".......)
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Re: butter?
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Originally Posted by satomi325
I also emailed the 'rescue' politely informing him of the mis- labeled animal.
I got this in reply, "we had a ball python specialist come down its not like we are maken it up."
*cough* specialist *cough*
(And yes...he said "maken".......)
How do you maken something? :rolleye2:
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Quote:
Originally Posted by satomi325
I also emailed the 'rescue' politely informing him of the mis- labeled animal.
I got this in reply, "we had a ball python specialist come down its not like we are maken it up."
*cough* specialist *cough*
(And yes...he said "maken".......)
Exactly, when I emailed him and politely explained it wasn't what he said it was, he told me they took it to a pet store and got the genetics checked out. He even asked me if I would be their ball python consultant in the future. In no way shape or form do I want to be associated with these people.
In his other ads he can't even spell Burmese, he spells it bermease. These are flat out ignorant scam artists looking to make a quick buck off people who don't know any better. These poor animals are going to suffer because of it.
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you guys all make good points. from now on i will refrain from getting snakes from him to discourage as you guys put it.
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Originally Posted by hypersomniacjoo
Didn't he say it was a male?? He/she is pretty regardless. I just don't think someone that ignorant should be selling, rescuing, or allowed near snakes...
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Only way to know what it is, is to breed it and see... and that's always fun :D
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the guy doesn't know how to sex ball pythons. so it could be anything. he said it probed male but who knows who probed this snake or if it was actually probed. i'm going to have it probed at the serpentarium in a couple of days.
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Originally Posted by hypersomniacjoo
the guy doesn't know how to sex ball pythons. so it could be anything. he said it probed male but who knows who probed this snake or if it was actually probed. i'm going to have it probed at the serpentarium in a couple of days.
I hope he didn't try to probe it himself. Serp is definitely the place to go. I am in there a few times a week buying supplies and feeders.
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zombie did you sell me some mice last weekend ten for ten dollars
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this snake weighs 2100 grams. i know it can happen but ive never seen a male bp that big. my biggest female is 1700. my biggest male is around 1000. unless this snake is a male, then my biggest male is 2100.
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Re: butter?
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Originally Posted by hypersomniacjoo
The snake does look rather large.
Try palpating it to see if you could feel any eggs.
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i tried palpating. i tried palpating for follicles on my other two girls and eggs on this one. i thought i definitely felt follicles and then nothing happened with either of them. so i highly doubt my palpating skills.
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The CL ad was removed. Fishy, fishy...
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or it expired. i tried putting the fat snake with another snake i got from the guy a couple weeks earlier (a male). and the male did not try to breed, nor did they get into a competitive thrash-fest. which makes me think even more that this thing is full of eggs.
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Re: butter?
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Originally Posted by hypersomniacjoo
this snake weighs 2100 grams. i know it can happen but ive never seen a male bp that big. my biggest female is 1700. my biggest male is around 1000. unless this snake is a male, then my biggest male is 2100.
It looks like a female...
Males can and do get larger than 2100 grams, I have a clown male that is 2100 gram and sold his dad who was a little bit heavier last season.
My smallest females are 1700 grams ;) :P teasin...
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It isn't a butter, lesser, woma or mocha. It's a really nice normal, most likely a female.
Gale
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one female hasn't eaten since i got her 3 months ago (offered rats and mice, live and prekilled) and has been locking up. other female has been eating every week and locking up. those lady snakes pretty much just do what they want.
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anyone have pics of an adult mocha?
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Originally Posted by hypersomniacjoo
zombie did you sell me some mice last weekend ten for ten dollars
No, wasn't me...
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I just have to say...if you're acquiring snakes from shady people on Craigslist, quarantine them for a year before you put any of your animals anywhere NEAR them. You took a terrible risk putting one of your males in with this new female. It would be best to quarantine him now, as well.
It does look like a female, so I'm going with your assumption on that.
It's a exceptional normal, and if she is healthy and produces a good clutch, I would say she was worth her price tag.
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probed female today at the serp! i am so happy!
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