Looking for input

I will not name the seller or site for the following snake but I am looking for input. I believe it may be listed wrong and want to see what morph everyone thinks it is:

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h1...bro/Butter.jpg

Looks like a lesser or lesser combo

I see a light mojave or a dark lesser. Just my $.02

looks like a lesser to me

I'd say lesser....or maybe a seriously hot mojave....but most likely a lesser. Not seeing a combo, if there is one.

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Originally Posted by The Serpent Merchant

Looks like a lesser or lesser combo

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Originally Posted by interloc

I see a light mojave or a dark lesser. Just my $.02

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Originally Posted by slithering house

looks like a lesser to me

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Ok, time for some fuller disclosure. BPLuvr sent me this photo earlier this evening and said the breeder was calling it a Butter. Honestly guys, I just didn't see it as a Butter. It looked much more Mojo to me...maybe even Mojo with a little something else going on.

But, now that you guys are saying Lesser, I'm second guessing myself.

BPLuvr, Looks like I may need to apologize for miss IDing this snake, but I still see more Mojo than Butter going on here.

EDIT: I asked BPLuvr to post this thread to get a wider point of view.

Im not as much of an expert as Judy or Slim but i picked up a butter on the weekend and i thought id post her to compare.
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8014/7...ef0b01bb_b.jpg

I know they very alot but the one in question seems to be very VERY dark.

There's a LOT of variation among lessers and butters....AND even in a single individual snake, there's a lot of variation as it ages. The one in the OP's picture looks young. They tend to lighten up a fair amount as they age.

If the breeder says it's a butter, I don't see any reason to doubt it, although it's not the finest example of that morph that I've seen.

For the record, I think lessers and butters are essentially the same...just different lines of the same morph.

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Originally Posted by JLC

For the record, I think lessers and butters are essentially the same...just different lines of the same morph.

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I agree 100%, which is why when other eyes started saying Lesser, I knew I might have miss ID'ed this BP :oops:

Easy to do...it does have a mojave-ish look to it.

Looks kinda like Brian Gundy's gold blush Mojave line...

Did you ask to see the parents? Maybe that would help a little :confused:

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Thanks much for all the input. I should be getting some newer pics in a few days. The pairing was butter x normal. It sorta of looked mojoish to me espescially when comparing to mojo's the seller had also. The real dark back and strong yellowish stripe really threw me on the butter. It is possible it was an older photo from when it was younger also.

I thought it looked clearly like a lesser.

Now see, I don't see butter or lesser.

I see a ridiculously reduced Mojave.

I guess we all see things a little differently.

Of course, someone at the show here this past Sunday had a snake this dark they were calling a butter male, and were asking $60 for it. It did not sell. That should tell you something.

If it is a butter, it is much too dark for my tastes. Butters should be creamy and bright, not like this one is.

Gale

I see lesser/butter. I'm guessing that's just an overly dark picture.

A solid indicator for mojave are the key holes on the sides. Even reduced patterned mojaves have key holes. That looks 100% lesser/butter.

The members of bp.net have voted on the topic of butter/lesser and the majority voted that they're essentially the same morph :gj:.

I would pick it up simply because it's unique :gj:. As mentioned earlier, lessers/butters are extreeeemely variable when it comes to pattern and color! I've seen cool colored mojos but one thing that remains consistent is the keyhole pattern :gj:.

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Originally Posted by h00blah

a solid indicator for mojave are the key holes on the sides. Even reduced patterned mojaves have key holes. That looks 100% lesser/butter.

The members of bp.net have voted on the topic of butter/lesser and the majority voted that they're essentially the same morph :gj:.

I would pick it up simply because it's unique :gj:. As mentioned earlier, lessers/butters are extreeeemely variable when it comes to pattern and color! I've seen cool colored mojos but one thing that remains consistent is the keyhole pattern :gj:.

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this!
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I still say butters and lessers are the same snake just different lines. And no way does that look like a Mojo. IMHO

Mojo's usually have holes in their alien heads. To me this snake looks like a dark butter/lesser. Since butters tend to be darker and lessers tend to be lighter i probably would have called that snake a butter. Mojos also have sorta a purplelish hue to them imo, which im not seeing here.

EDIT: x2 to what h00blah said about the keyholes. I posted before i read his response! :)

Dark lesser. The pattern is wrong for a mojave.

My input is probably useless at this point but I definitely see Lesser/Butter as well.

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Originally Posted by satomi325

I thought it looked clearly like a lesser.

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agreed^^^