Albino Project Questions

Hello everyone!

Just had a few quick questions regarding an albino project (my first project) and looking for some advice/opinions.

I currently have an 11 female spider 100% het albino. I am thinking of getting an 11 female pinstripe 100% het albino as well so that they can grow together and then in a year or so look at an albino male to pair them with. Would this be a good progression order or would you recommend something else?

I was interested in looking into an albino pinstripe male for the possible offspring with my current female in the future however the prices seem a bit steep when I could get both the pinstripe het albino female and albino male for around half of the price of the albino pin male :p.

Also I am currently looking at this female for the pin het albino:

http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=32&de=917737

Does anyone have any experience with Outback Reptiles or heard anything good/bad? Sorry still very new and do not know all of the breeders yet xD. Also concerning that female what do you guys think? Is she a pretty good example of the morph? Is her price fair?

Thanks in advance :).

- Christian

I personally have not dealt with them, but the reveiws i have heard and seen have been poor. If you go to the Inquiries/Feedback section, im pretty sure you could find some recent threads on them. I would stay away just from hearing other peoples problems with them. Sick Animals is the big problem that i have encountered.

Agreed, I haven't dealt with them personally, but have read horror stories about that company, and have avoided them 100% as a result.

If you like the snake i would just email them and make sure they will back it up with 100% health and satisfaction you should be fine. I think you have the right idea of buying the females now and male later though. Spider and pin albino project is also a great choice to work with both great looking animals.

I got my first snake, a 2010 super pastel male, from Outback and I had a great experience with the company. As you can see, he is a healthy boy :)

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/n...e9do1_1280.jpg

3 threads....?

I have personally bought 3 snakes from Outback.

My Albino Spider is from Outback. As well as my Silver Bullet and my Black Pewter het Ghost.

I have seen those Albino Pins in person and had a chance to buy them as soon as he had them, but they had not yet had any meals in them.

Ian (Outback Reptiles) does a lot of importing and dealing, so this is likely where any bad things may come into play.

All 3 of my purchases have been in person at either Hamburg or Harve de Grace, so I saw the snake before I bought them. But all 3 are perfectly health and I will definitely buy from him again.

Some people don't like him because he buys low and sells lower. But I got great deals!

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Originally Posted by Tzeentch

Some people don't like him because he buys low and sells lower.

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Thank you very much for the feedback everyone :). I will definitely look at the inquiry section. Had no idea there even was one :p. And concerning the three threads comment did I accidentally post more than one thread? I can't see them on my browser and apologize if so.

Sounds to me like you have some good ideas for where you want to go with your project. I'm a big fan of both Albino Spiders and Albino Pins.

When doing your research on Outback Reptiles, I urge you to pay close attention to the timeframe when the negative reporting was made, and the names of the individuals involved. Outback has been through some rough patches, but I feel confident that if you look closely at all the feedback, you'll be able to make an informed decision.

I have recently purchased from Josh at Outback, and would do so again.

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Originally Posted by missriss2012

I got my first snake, a 2010 super pastel male, from Outback and I had a great experience with the company. As you can see, he is a healthy boy :)

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/n...e9do1_1280.jpg

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Very beautiful snake by the way. Absolutely love his blushing!

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Originally Posted by Tzeentch

I have personally bought 3 snakes from Outback.

My Albino Spider is from Outback. As well as my Silver Bullet and my Black Pewter het Ghost.

I have seen those Albino Pins in person and had a chance to buy them as soon as he had them, but they had not yet had any meals in them.

Ian (Outback Reptiles) does a lot of importing and dealing, so this is likely where any bad things may come into play.

All 3 of my purchases have been in person at either Hamburg or Harve de Grace, so I saw the snake before I bought them. But all 3 are perfectly health and I will definitely buy from him again.

Some people don't like him because he buys low and sells lower. But I got great deals!

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How did the albino pins look to you? The snakes all look great picture wise to me but I am just asking about their reputation due to dealing with the het albino.

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Originally Posted by Slim

Sounds to me like you have some good ideas for where you want to go with your project. I'm a big fan of both Albino Spiders and Albino Pins.

When doing your research on Outback Reptiles, I urge you to pay close attention to the timeframe when the negative reporting was made, and the names of the individuals involved. Outback has been through some rough patches, but I feel confident that if you look closely at all the feedback, you'll be able to make an informed decision.

I have recently purchased from Josh at Outback, and would do so again.

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I noticed when looking at some of the negative posts that they were in the past. I haven't found anything more recent which is why I decided to ask in this thread :). Concerning a good example of the morph. How would the pinstripe that I linked fare? And does anyone know what a fair price for a female pin het albino is at current market value?

I think the Pinstripe Het Albino girl in the ad is a good looking snake. She has a nice dorsal stripe, and if anything, is just a shade dark, but that could just be the lighting. The asking price looks like it's in the ball park.

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Originally Posted by HerpsForDerps

How did the albino pins look to you? The snakes all look great picture wise to me but I am just asking about their reputation due to dealing with the het albino.

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They had not even eaten yet, so they were very small. They looked amazing, as all hatchings do though. They were very bright, the snake I held was healthy looking and active.

I would have bought the female (for a $1000 at that time since she had not eaten yet, plus shows are always cheaper and negotiable), but I bought my Silver Bullet from him instead.

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Originally Posted by Slim

I think the Pinstripe Het Albino girl in the ad is a good looking snake. She has a nice dorsal stripe, and if anything, is just a shade dark, but that could just be the lighting. The asking price looks like it's in the ball park.

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Thanks :). Just sent an email asking for some more pictures. Terms of sale, etc. Hopefully with more pictures she proves to be a little lighter.

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Originally Posted by Tzeentch

They had not even eaten yet, so they were very small. They looked amazing, as all hatchings do though. They were very bright, the snake I held was healthy looking and active.

I would have bought the female (for a $1000 at that time since she had not eaten yet, plus shows are always cheaper and negotiable), but I bought my Silver Bullet from him instead.

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How much cheaper are snakes generally at shows? I have not been to any yet but am planning on heading down to the San Jose show in July, and then the closer show in Sacramento for me which will be in September.

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Originally Posted by HerpsForDerps

How much cheaper are snakes generally at shows?

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You will save shipping, and might be able to haggle a little over the asking price.

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Originally Posted by Slim

You will save shipping, and might be able to haggle a little over the asking price.

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Darn shipping...and haggling is always fun :p. That female pin sold. Time to be on the lookout :).

1) Awesome project you have going on. I have a albino pin project in the works as well. They are lovely looking animals.

2) I've heard really good things about Outback Reptiles. All the bad rap seems to be from the past. And Outback has made good contributions to Ball Python morph development. They produced the first and only Panda Pied to date.

3) From my experience of past shows here in Norcal, the vendors generally give pretty good deals. I got a female pastel for $100 at the last Sacramento show from Heather Wong. I saved at least $100-$150 total between general normal retail pastel female price(~$150-200) + shipping($50). And my friends who own a reptile shop in Lodi always have good deals on their animals during shows.

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Originally Posted by satomi325

1) Awesome project you have going on. I have a albino pin project in the works as well. They are lovely looking animals.

2) I've heard really good things about Outback Reptiles. All the bad rap seems to be from the past. And Outback has made good contributions to Ball Python morph development. They produced the first and only Panda Pied to date.

3) From my experience of past shows here in Norcal, the vendors generally give pretty good deals. I got a female pastel for $100 at the last Sacramento show from Heather Wong. I saved at least $100-$150 total between general normal retail pastel female price(~$150-200) + shipping($50). And my friends who own a reptile shop in Lodi always have good deals on their animals during shows.

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Oh wow had no idea you were from around here! Nice to meet you :). Just curious where did you get your snakes from for your albino pin project? And can you recommend any local breeders?

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Oh wow had no idea you were from around here! Nice to meet you :). Just curious where did you get your snakes from for your albino pin project? And can you recommend any local breeders?

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Nice to meet you too!

I'm starting from the ground up w/ my albino pin project. I have morph hets for other projects, but I really wanted to start from the very beginning w/ my albino pin one so I really just have is a pin and an albino. (One is from a local breeder the other is from Florida).

Local breeders that I highly recommend (no particular order):
I've dealt with 3-4 in the Sacramento Area and 3 in the Bay Area.
- Cary Nathan (Roseville). Nice examples of morphs. Knowledgeable and helpful.
- Robert Seib (Walnut Creek). He has a lot of high end morphs. Very knowledgeable and experienced. Retired UC Berkeley Herp Professor.
- Brian Gundy (San Jose area). One of the local "famous" breeders around. He is really knowledgeable and is very helpful. Gives great advice, especially breeding advice. He just gave a Ball Python Breeding seminar 2 months ago at the Central Valley Herp Society. Specializes in mojaves and pieds.

I don't think I'll go back to the rest of the other breeders I've met. They're more interested in money than the welfare of their animals.

I also have a few local friends in Sacramento that breed as well.

So if you want any ones contact info, just let me know.

Sounds great thanks! I'll definitely be asking you for the contact info :).