Mystic/Phantom... The same? or Different?

Mystic and Phantom, are they the same thing? Or are they different?
What are your opinions?

i feel they are in the same line just like fire and vanillas, sulfers are almost the same.

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Originally Posted by jimssnakes0808

i feel they are in the same line just like fire and vanillas, sulfers are almost the same.

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Fire's and Vanillas are two very different morphs with two very different looking Supers. Now Fire's and Sulfur's are the same.

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Originally Posted by that_dc5

Fire's and Vanillas are two very different morphs with two very different looking Supers. Now Fire's and Sulfur's are the same.

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Took the words right out of my mouth :gj:

Mystic potions look different from purple passions so that leads me to believe they are different. I dont really know enough about the morphs tho so i think ill abstain from voting for now.

I believe they are slightly different than one another. What's up with the 3rd choice? How can they be browned out pastels if they are both in the blue-eyed lucy complex?

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Originally Posted by DemmBalls

I believe they are slightly different than one another. What's up with the 3rd choice? How can they be browned out pastels if they are both in the blue-eyed lucy complex?

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Lol,pretty sure it was just a joke on the OPs part.

I dont know enough about the topic though so I too will refrain from voting.

Other than the price, I'm a believer that they are the same...exactly. The supers look the same, the potion/passions look the same, other combos that I've seen look the same.

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Originally Posted by Christopher De Leon

Lol,pretty sure it was just a joke on the OPs part.

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Yup exactly. Not everyone understands my humor. Thanks for getting it. :D

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Originally Posted by that_dc5

Fire's and Vanillas are two very different morphs with two very different looking Supers. Now Fire's and Sulfur's are the same.

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From what I've seen fires and sulfurs tend to have different supers also, sulfur throwing much more yellow. sulfur and ember are the same as far as im concerned.

as for mystic/phantom I see no reason they shouldn't be considered the same

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Originally Posted by MarkS

Yup exactly. Not everyone understands my humor. Thanks for getting it. :D

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My Bad...Missed the humor on this one.

I always felt that the Pation and Potion had a slightly different look to them. In the end, they look very similar and do similar things. Much like the Butter and Lesser.

I am saying they are the same, just different bred lines. The Potions are close enough IMO.

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Originally Posted by RobNJ

Other than the price, I'm a believer that they are the same...exactly. The supers look the same, the potion/passions look the same, other combos that I've seen look the same.

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Really? Maybe im thinking of different combos then. The potions and passions looked very different i thought...
Anyone wanna post some pics of their mystics or phantom? Or supers or combos? Id like to see how close they look! :)

Here is a Pastel Phantom, I do not have a Patel Mystic to compare it to.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...7/DSC01707.jpg

Some shots of my pastel mystic. First my crappy photo (does show true colors though), and then the one Dan Wolfe took of her. I need to get some updated shots now that she's bigger, but it seems like she's always eating and I don't want to be handling her too much after.

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c1...telmystic2.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c1...stelmystic.jpg

IMO, they're the same. The differences between, say, potion and passion could be just a difference in what the components looked like. Like, there are all sorts of ways a black pastel pewter can look, based on what the parents looked like, but they all come from black pastel x pastel. Differences in the individual, not a different morph.

I swear, made perfect sense in my head. :rofl:

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Originally Posted by RobNJ

Other than the price, I'm a believer that they are the same...exactly. The supers look the same, the potion/passions look the same, other combos that I've seen look the same.

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I agree!

My male Mystic Spider

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/...Male4Large.jpg
http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/...Male2Large.jpg
http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/...Male5Large.jpg

I think they are DEFINITELY the same. Here's why...

Look at the differences between pastels. Let's take Lemon Pastels as an example. How many different "grades" or "shades" of lemon pastels are there? How many combos are there with lemon pastels that look different than each other?

How about the difference between a bumblebee and a bumblebee? There can be a wide array of differences on them, but they're both spider pastels. They may have different characteristics--like spots, no spots, high white, low white, high yellow, low yellow, high gold, low gold, thin stripes, almost no stripes, completely different head patterns, etc.... BUT, they are ALL pastel spiders!

The same thing is with mystics and phantoms. If I have 2 different mojaves, say a super reduced/blushed, vs. a really contrasted busy pattern, and I pair a mystic with both of them, do you think the potions would look the same? I don't. But it doesn't change the fact that they are both mystic potions. There are way more things that play into the look of the snake than a single mystic or phantom gene.

Anyway, the point is that mystics and potions are so similarly close, that I can't see how anyone can justify calling them different morphs. I'd like to see a phantom paired with a mojave one year, and a mystic paired with the same mojave the next year. Then I'd like to see the comparison of those babies. I'd bet the similarities would be even closer than what potion/passion pictures are available online to view.

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Originally Posted by ClarkT

I'd like to see a phantom paired with a mojave one year, and a mystic paired with the same mojave the next year. Then I'd like to see the comparison of those babies. I'd bet the similarities would be even closer than what potion/passion pictures are available online to view.

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That's exactly what I've always thought reaching phantom/mystic debates. Maybe someone will do an experiment with a male mojave and a female of each. Better yet two male mojaves and need one to both females the first year and the other to both the next year.

:D So since I know everyone is curious and I would totally do this but don't have the money for all those snakes how 'bout this: How about everyone gets together and sends me these 4 snakes and I'll perform the experiment and let you all know how it went. ;) I think its genius, let's do it!

I believe that the Mystics and the Phantoms are the same. As the Cinnamon and Black Pastel are almost identical but they make different combinations because they are separate mutations along the same allele . Where as the Super Black Pastel, and the Supper Cinny looks very different, The Mystic Potion and Purple Passion are identical. The super forms of mystics and phantoms are also identical.