Beginings of a new morph.

A few moths ago we purchased what looked to us to a good " dinker project". A male ball python with insane blushing and an almost full dorsal blush. He was mated to a normal female, in hope he proved out to be genetic. The paring produced 5 eggs ( 4 normal and 1 boob.)

Day 50 we slit them open, the 4 viable eggs contained what looked like to be 3 ( 1.2 ) morphs and 1 ( 0.1) normal. The boob egg although almost fully developed didn't make it.

Day 55 the snakes emerged from the egg.. We got 3 morphs all displaying the same characteristics as the sire.. Near to full dorsal pattern and dorsal blush and a normal which also displays the same characteristics.

sire:
http://i1167.photobucket.com/albums/...magejpeg_8.jpg

off-spring:
http://i1167.photobucket.com/albums/...s/IMAG0221.jpg

Oooooooo congrats!!!!!

So......how much for a baby? lol

They look almost clown-like, my favoritiest morph of all time

Cool, looks to be pastel:gj:

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Originally Posted by Domepiece

Cool, looks to be pastel:gj:

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That is what I see too. A low quality pastel with a lot of blushing. We have some friends with a pastel that looks almost identical to the sire. Congrats! :gj:

Gorgeous babies! That blushing is killer, very pastel like

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Originally Posted by AK907

That is what I see too. A low quality pastel with a lot of blushing. We have some friends with a pastel that looks almost identical to the sire. Congrats! :gj:

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We weren't sure of his genetics when we purchased him, and although he dose resemble a pastel i would hardly concider him a " low quality " morph. We managed to 1. beat the normal to morph ratio and 2. proved him to not only be a morph but reproduce himself almost perfectly.

We where a little bummed out when the "boob" egg didn't make it but it was also a morph. The total count was 4 morphs and 1 normal!! The photo taken was in their first hour out of the egg. Color and blush still have to come in with the 1st shed.

Thank you for the comments will keep posting as they mature.

Welcome to BP.net!

What color are your Dinker male's eyes?

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Originally Posted by Coleslaw007

Oooooooo congrats!!!!!

So......how much for a baby? lol

They look almost clown-like, my favoritiest morph of all time

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The sire dose have some clown like features, had us wondering for a day or two if he wasn't a clown mix but the was ruled out due to the lack of the indicative clown head pattern.

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Originally Posted by HCC MORPHS

ruled out due to the lack of the indicative clown head pattern.

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That, and the fact that this "morph" seems to be a Co-Dom...

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Originally Posted by HCC MORPHS

We weren't sure of his genetics when we purchased him, and although he dose resemble a pastel i would hardly concider him a " low quality " morph. We managed to 1. beat the normal to morph ratio and 2. proved him to not only be a morph but reproduce himself almost perfectly.

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He is a good looking boy, don't get me wrong, but if he is indeed a pastel, his colors leave quite a bit to be desired and not what I would look for in a pastel. His blushing is insane, though. If you have a girl I would hold one back and breed her back to him. That should confirm his genetics. You hit the odds too getting 75% morphs. That is always nice, but unfortunately its just luck of the draw. Can't wait to see these guys once they shed. Keep us updated. :gj:

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Originally Posted by Slim

Welcome to BP.net!

What color are your Dinker male's eyes?

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His eyes are a honey color around the pupil and a greenish circumference.
http://i1167.photobucket.com/albums/...s/IMG_0740.jpg

Pastels like all morphs do come in a rage of patterns and class ratings. We have a few pastel and pastel mixes in our collection. This guy stands out not due to the blush or the similarities or lack there of with the pastel allele. He was odd from the start and that oddness is what drove us to tinker.

He is definitely genetic, co- dom or dominant will take a while to prove out, But as of 8am this morning our 2013 season just got a wrench thrown into it lol..will be paring him up with some different morph's to see what we produce.

Looks like a Pastel black back....and the black back looks genetic since it was passed on to the offspring. And I know the in thing is to call 99.9% of all Pastels low quality, but I'd breed that guy in a heartbeat. That's a smoking snake. Congrats! :gj:

I like to call a spade a spade.. Or in this case a pastel a pastel... Male looks like a browned pastel with nice blushing, and the offspring look pastel in every way. Congrats on the good odds.

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Originally Posted by sho220

Looks like a Pastel black back....and the black back looks genetic since it was passed on to the offspring. And I know the in thing is to call 99.9% of all Pastels low quality, but I'd breed that guy in a heartbeat. That's a smoking snake. Congrats! :gj:

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"the in thing", i like that one, i might name it that lol.. we dint blink at breeding him nor are we next season to see what he produced.. thanks for the support!

I'm seeing blackback pastel too, very nice sire and babies, congrats!

I hate to rain on your parade here sorry but there is nothing new, it's a black back pastel congrats on the babies though. :gj:

After seeing a close up of his eyes, I say what you have is not a new morph, but another take on one of the oldest ones. He looks like a Pastel to me...maybe a new, darker, less yellow line of Pastel, but Pastel just the same.

Good luck with you efforts.

Maybe the Blackback part of it is the 'new stuff', proving out a new genetic line of blackback is never a bad thing, but it was obviously a pastel to begin with, so thats nothing new unless it was a CH or WC pastel, and even then that's not an entirely 'new morph', just another line of an already established morph.Its all still fun to dink with tho.

My guess is that the dad is already the 'super' form of that particular black back, cause all the babies are blackbacks to some degree even the normal, but they don't have his extreme blushing. Or you could have just killed the odds completely and lucked out on all blackback babies. :P

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Originally Posted by kyote19

Maybe the Blackback part of it is the 'new stuff',

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Black backs are not new either, it's a good on the OP's part to prove that the black back he is working with is genetic however neither black backs or pastels are new morphs which is the title of the thread.

OP, just out of curiosity, how did you come by this male?

Thats exactly what I said In my post , I didn't say blackback was a 'new morph', but it was new line. 'New' can still apply to additional lines within an already established morph.

I'm seeing Pastel too. Can we get some full body belly shots of them?


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when greg graziani or some other big shot proves out a new line whether it be a different strand of a proven allele, there is a line around the corner waiting to shake their hands or sniff their boxers lol.. ( :rage: rant)

i love the comments both bad and good, the good drive people to tinker with new or old strands while the skeptical also drives, but the drive is to prove wrong.

the fact that it might be of the pastel allele is obvious, the fact that unlike most pastels whos offspring have some random pastel pattern, his off spring seem to duplicate his pattern and that is also obvious.

now weather its a new morph to me or to you is left to personal perspective.

he was purchased from one of the many social media site and as far as i know he is cb, not from some big fancy breeder or imported from a far far away land. ;)

belly shot of the babies as soon as i go back to the shop i will snap some and post.

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Originally Posted by HCC MORPHS

he was purchased from one of the many social media site and as far as i know he is cb, not from some big fancy breeder or imported from a far far away land. ;)

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:confused: WTFO??? Facebook and Twitter sell snakes now???

When one of the big shot breeders makes an anouncement about a new morph, or a new line of an old morph, it's usually not a low grade version of something that's been in the hobby since the late '90s. Like I said before, good luck with this effort, just don't expect any one to be snorting your shorts for proving out an interesting looking Pastel Dinker.

Very pretty snake regardless and some lovely babies.

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Originally Posted by Slim

:confused: WTFO??? Facebook and Twitter sell snakes now???

When one of the big shot breeders makes an anouncement about a new morph, or a new line of an old morph, it's usually not a low grade version of something that's been in the hobby since the late '90s. Like I said before, good luck with this effort, just don't expect any one to be snorting your shorts for proving out an interesting looking Pastel Dinker.

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lmao thanks for your opinion, with it and 8$ i can get a cup of coffee at star bucks, and "anouncement" is spelled announcement.

I think the sire is gorgeous. I have a pastel from Garrick Demeyer that looks very similar to him. Even Garrick said he didn't have bright colors as a baby and he totally browned out, but I would in no way call him a "low quaility" pastel. His blushing is insane, just like your male's. I'm a sucker for blushing, even if they lose their yellow. He looks pastel to me and I bet he will make some awesome supers. Have the babies shed? I'd love to see more pics

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I think the sire is gorgeous. I have a pastel from Garrick Demeyer that looks very similar to him. Even Garrick said he didn't have bright colors as a baby and he totally browned out, but I would in no way call him a "low quaility" pastel. His blushing is insane, just like your male's. I'm a sucker for blushing, even if they lose their yellow. He looks pastel to me and I bet he will make some awesome supers. Have the babies shed? I'd love to see more pics

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no not as of yet they actually came out of the egg about 10 hrs ago. =)
the picture of the dad is a bad one taken on a brown surface.. i will post natural light photos.

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Originally Posted by HCC MORPHS

lmao thanks for your opinion, with it and 8$ i can get a cup of coffee at star bucks, and "anouncement" is spelled announcement.

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Dude you seem miffed at finding out your new morph is actually a morph thats been around the block a few times, What you have is a Black Back Pastel nothing more nothing less hence why the back is so blushed out. Its a low quality ( on colour ) pastel, Your going the wrong way about it with your attitude. Sorry but do not nit pick with peoples spellings because you don't like their opinions. If you don't want to hear negative comments then best thing to do is don't post about it.

If you want your boxers to be sniffed then I suggest you become one of those 'big' shots you mentioned.

They do look nice and surely healthy hatchlings is what its all about, I have potentially something new but I have had negative comments about it and I just take it on the chin EVERYONE is entitled to their opinion.

Oh sorry, I didn't pay attention to the date of the tread. Lol I just got excited about new babies:oops:

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Originally Posted by HCC MORPHS

lmao thanks for your opinion, with it and 8$ i can get a cup of coffee at star bucks, and "anouncement" is spelled announcement.

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Really picking on people's spelling?
Also this "new morph" looks like a low grade pastel to me.

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Originally Posted by HCC MORPHS

he was purchased from one of the many social media site and as far as i know he is cb, not from some big fancy breeder or imported from a far far away land. ;)

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Where exactly did you get him from? Some random guy? Do you know at all what the pairing was?

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Originally Posted by HCC MORPHS

lmao thanks for your opinion, with it and 8$ i can get a cup of coffee at star bucks, and "anouncement" is spelled announcement.

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And comments like this aren't really helping your case, especially when your not using capitol letters, and your missing comma's.

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Originally Posted by Tempestas

If you want your boxers to be sniffed then I suggest you become one of those 'big' shots you mentioned.

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lmao now that is priceless!! none is miffed at any particular part of the thread, and negative comments are fuel for creativity and is always welcome, but at the same time deserves a response.

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And comments like this aren't really helping your case, especially when your not using capitol letters, and your missing comma's.

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It's "you're" not "your"...

Just thought I'd pile on...

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lmao thanks for your opinion, with it and 8$ i can get a cup of coffee at star bucks, and "anouncement" is spelled announcement.

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I really wouldnt be pointing out spelling errors, youve made several in your posts yourself. By the way offspring is one word. and its whether not weather unless you are trying to talk about the weather.

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Originally Posted by sho220

It's "you're" not "your"...

Just thought I'd pile on...

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Exactly!

Woops (did i spell that right? lol)

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Originally Posted by HCC MORPHS

lmao now that is priceless!! none is miffed at any particular part of the thread, and negative comments are fuel for creativity and is always welcome, but at the same time deserves a response.

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You seem it dude, You obviously thought people would think its something new and to be honest you seem rather disappointed that people think its just a pastel black back.

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Exactly!

Woops (did i spell that right? lol)

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No...it's whoops...sheesh...:D

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No...it's whoops...sheesh...:D

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:rofl:

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Where exactly did you get him from? Some random guy? Do you know at all what the pairing was?

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it didn't matter what the previous paring was, it looked genetic and i took the gamble, and i was right its genetic.

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Originally Posted by HCC MORPHS

it didn't matter what the previous paring was, it looked genetic and i took the gamble, and i was right its genetic.

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Did it look genetic because one of the parents is a pastel?

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Originally Posted by Tempestas

You seem it dude, You obviously thought people would think its something new and to be honest you seem rather disappointed that people think its just a pastel black back.

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that's what this site is for, to learn and be critiqued and if it indeed is a pastel black back, then they are the best darn pastel black backs i ever produced, but until proven other wise by me and not the general consensus, my opinion as to it being what i say it is, is all that matters.

but for some narrow minded individuals who assume they have a phd in herpetology and are experts in recognizing the subtle nuances between the allele's or are the leading authority on which morphs are considered to "be new", just because they have 1.0 beardie, and 1.0 lesser, rubs me the wrong way.

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Originally Posted by cmack91

Did it look genetic because one of the parents is a pastel?

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i got him from Craigslist as a part of a package deal. Some one was getting out of the hobby and i bought his stock. got as much info as i could from him and that was it. He in turn got most of his snakes from the same place i got his.

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Originally Posted by HCC MORPHS

i got him from Craigslist as a part of a package deal. Some one was getting out of the hobby and i bought his stock. got as much info as i could from him and that was it. He in turn got most of his snakes from the same place i got his.

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Wait so you got him off of craigslist from a guy who had gotten the same male off of craigslist originally!? And you REALLY think it is some "new" morph?:confused:

I think it is neat and all, but I agree it is likely a genetic Black Back Pastel. Great blushing and pattern, but poor color retention.

Anything is possible, but the idea that you picked up some new Inc-Dom morph in a random Craigslist pickup is very slim. But hey, people do find Picasso's at yard sales.

I would not get bent out of shape if the consensus does not agree with you, but keep in mind the combined experience of the consensus can be measured in decades.

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Originally Posted by HCC MORPHS

that's what this site is for, to learn and be critiqued and if it indeed is a pastel black back, then they are the best darn pastel black backs i ever produced, but until proven other wise by me and not the general consensus, my opinion as to it being what i say it is, is all that matters.

but for some narrow minded individuals who assume they have a phd in herpetology and are experts in recognizing the subtle nuances between the allele's or are the leading authority on which morphs are considered to "be new", just because they have 1.0 beardie, and 1.0 lesser, rubs me the wrong way.

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Exactly it is for what you say but why pick out someones spelling ? That is wrong just because you didn't agree with what they said.

I am pretty certain a few people on here get fed up of people rubbing them the wrong way too but they don't go attacking their spelling. Its a bit harsh calling these people narrow minded too all because they offered their opinions. I'm sorry but your coming across very uptight.

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Originally Posted by HCC MORPHS

but for some narrow minded individuals who assume they have a phd in herpetology and are experts in recognizing the subtle nuances between the allele's or are the leading authority on which morphs are considered to "be new", just because they have 1.0 beardie, and 1.0 lesser, rubs me the wrong way.

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Ouch that hurts :rolleyes:

Sorry you did not hear "oh you are so lucky, never seen anything quite like this, love the new morph can't wait to invest in that project" ....can't always hear what you want to hear sadly.

Maybe you should email Kevin or Ralph and see what they think about it because around here obviously what do people know about balls? :rolleyes:

Good luck with your project can't wait to see those Black Back Super Pastels in the future :gj:

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Wait so you got him off of craigslist from a guy who had gotten the same male off of craigslist originally!? And you REALLY think it is some "new" morph?:confused:

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I think it is neat and all, but I agree it is likely a genetic Black Back Pastel. Great blushing and pattern, but poor color retention.

Anything is possible, but the idea that you picked up some new Inc-Dom morph in a random Craigslist pickup is very slim. But hey, people do find Picasso's at yard sales.

I would not get bent out of shape if the consensus does not agree with you, but keep in mind the combined experience of the consensus can be measured in decades.

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Strange things do happen guys ;) I bought this guy from a Reptile Shop,

You can clearly tell he's normal ;)

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...4_690059_n.jpg

Wow, I head out for a training ride and cook up a little pasta for dinner, and see what happens :D

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Originally Posted by HCC MORPHS

lmao thanks for your opinion, with it and 8$ i can get a cup of coffee at star bucks, and "anouncement" is spelled announcement.

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I sincerely do appreciate your correction of my spelling error, as that is a personal pet peeve of mine as well.

It does not, however, change the fact that the "new" morph you've proven out, is in fact, and old morph that's been proven many times before. But, thumbs up on the spelling thinggy :gj:

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Originally Posted by cmack91

And comments like this aren't really helping your case, especially when your not using capitol letters, and your missing comma's.

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:rofl::rofl:

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Originally Posted by HCC MORPHS

it didn't matter what the previous paring was, it looked genetic and i took the gamble, and i was right its genetic.

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This morph was proven genetic quite some time ago...it wasn't much of a gamble...

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Originally Posted by HCC MORPHS

i got him from Craigslist as a part of a package deal. Some one was getting out of the hobby and i bought his stock. got as much info as i could from him and that was it. He in turn got most of his snakes from the same place i got his.

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And, BTW, I do not, nor have I ever, owned a bearded dragon ;)