Emergency!!! Please help!

Just got home from a 2 days trip I checked on my
Male pastel, and noticed he is foaming at the mouth pretty bad. Is it the suspected mouth Rot
I'm looking at? Please help guys, ive lost a snake to this before and I am terrified!!! I am not rich so I can't just take him to the vet and say "take care of him"! Please... What should I do? What steps can I take?!?!?!!!!

-Very worried, Mark


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Take him to the vet..I know it's not what you want to hear..but it sounds more like a bad RI than mouth rot..he'll need antibiotic's and good clean enclosure with heat and humidity bumped up..But first take your pet to the vet they both need and deserve it.

Please don't take this as a bash because that is not my intent, but this is a prime example of why you need to hold back some cash for situations like this.

My advice is to take him to a Vet as soon as you can. The quicker you get on top of this situation, the better the chances for correcting it.

I agree with Freakie_Frog. It looks like a Respiratory Infection.
It sounds like it's in an advanced stage too. It most likely won't go away unless you visit a vet. RI can kill snakes if left untreated. When you take him to the vet, get a culture done. This way it'll save you money in the long run by identifying the exact medicine to use. It's better to identify what kind of antibiotic to use than have a vet give Baytril or some other random drug that may not take effect.

In the mean time, bump up your heat to 95.

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I am not rich so I can't just take him to the vet and say "take care of him"! [/url]

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I can't offer you any advice as I'm new to this myself, but I can tell you that vets will work with you if you can't pay everything up front. After you go to the vet and they have taken your snake (if they need to keep it for a while, that is) _then_ think about money. I'm far from rich myself but I have dropped more money on my pets vet bills than my own (human) kids medical needs. (thank god for insurance!). The trick is not to think about it. Just do. A good vet will work out a payment plan with you if it came down to that.

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Originally Posted by Mrl249

Just got home from a 2 days trip I checked on my
Male pastel, and noticed he is foaming at the mouth pretty bad. Is it the suspected mouth Rot
I'm looking at? Please help guys, ive lost a snake to this before and I am terrified!!! I am not rich so I can't just take him to the vet and say "take care of him"! Please... What should I do? What steps can I take?!?!?!!!!

-Very worried, Mark

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Well if you do not want to lose another snake I would suggest to take him to a vet if you do not than you will have to prepare to lose this one too.

I know it's not what you want to hear but pet ownership is not easy and whether you own a dog, a cat or a snake sooner or later it will imply vet care and if it's something you can't afford you will face the same problem every time no matter what animal you own.

Animal get sick animal get injured it's something to think of when acquiring a pet, not only the pet itself and the food cost but the ability to provide vet care when needed.

Check out care credit. It's a credit card that can be used at some vets, as well as regular doctors for humans. You can apply online and get darn near instant approval and an account number. Then find a vet that will accept it. Please get your snake to the vet.

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I agree it does need a vet. I've seen folks try to use home remedies and there really are none at this point. I know the vet answer was not what you were hoping for. But it cannot be avoided if you dont want to lose this guy.
It also sounds like you've lost one before to an illness so i know you don't want to go through that again.
Unfortunately vets are a part of pet ownership. And when you own an exotic you always need to keep them in mind. I always put away 10-50$ a week in a savings account that I have specifically for vet trips. Exotics vets are more expensive and the best way to avoid them Is to be 200% on top of husbandry. Sometimes accidents happen though and that's why you always need to keep the vet option in the back of your mind. Abos are required at this point or he will not recover. I'm sorry. Good luck.


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I have to agree, I was in the same situation a couple months ago.
Saving is hard and times are tough, now I may piss a lot of people off but check out my post from this past tuesday.
Tuesday info on our red-tail

I am not a vet and I am only posting what worked for me and where I got the information from ;) You can start at 2:50

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJCnP...ature=youtu.be

BTW my whole story is posted there on my FB page

I does sound like RI to me too. I also would recommend a vet and a culture. Some vets allow a spread out payment. (my old vet allowed 30% and than 25% a month for three months yup a 105% of the bill 5% for the service) My new one does not at all. It is worth checking.

You have lost a snake to the same issue if that was recently I would seriously look very hard at your husbandry!! How you clean your temps and you ventilation/humidly if it is RI high humidity and low ventilation can often cause repeat RI. In any event a correction in husbandry can save you lots of grief in the long run.

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BTW my whole story is posted there on my FB page

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I don't have fb, I can't see. :(

I guess I can cut and paste LOL

*****This girl was going to be heartbreaking. She went from being a typical boa to noticing a watery discharge one night to a full blown RI 48 hours later. Nasty mucus that was fun trying to remove from her mouth. I couldnt belive how quickly she went down hill!!I didnt know what I was going to do or how I was going to tell our son that we might lose his snake.Well I owe three people a huge thank you!! Thomas told me to crank the temps up way above my comfort level to help dry her out, Rich @ Reptile Basics for their great service and fast shipping as always AND Brian @ BHB Reptiles for posting the "Down with the sickness" video.Needless to say, she was showing a full 180 degree turn around within the first 5 days of the elevated temps and fogging her with F10 twice a day but I kept up everything for a full 14 days just to make sure. I also did not feed her this entire time, she lost about 100ish grams in the two weeks and I could tell she was stressed the first week. She is now back to eating, though I did not feed her the normal 2 smalls that she usually gets but we will slowly work back up just to not stress her any more than needed.I feel like the bad parent for having a snake get sick but I know what did it and I didnt realize the a/c was keeping her ambient temps on the cool side, even with a good hot spot. Anyway, Thanks to all those involved!!!! Its easy to offer help but had to think of what to do when its your own in need. All the other snakes are on the other side of the house and everyone there is great.*****

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Where do you get F10 from?? Might be one of those things I like to keep on hand "just in case".

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I have never used it as a fogger but it is a great disinfectant. I get mine from http://www.bigreptileworld.co.uk/ they carry the whole line up not just the base product.

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Where do you get F10 from?? Might be one of those things I like to keep on hand "just in case".

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I believe Reptile Basics, BHB and Pro Exotics sell it.

To the OP, in my opinion, you need to get your snake to the vet asap.

How would a disinfectant being fogged into the enclosure get rid of an RI? Can someone explain the science behid that to me.
Having the snake inhale more humid air and moistore doesnt seem like the best idea haha, but obviously it worked for pit!

RI is often not always caused by bacteria and F10 is safe for contact. A lung wash is far beyond most but just breathing a topical anti bacterial the theory is it will help reduce the RI causing bacteria. I would count on it myself and especially not in extreme cases.

OP the best advise is the vet.

"Hi Alex,

Mix 4ml F10 SC in a litre of water (dilution ratio 1:250) and nebulize the reptile for approx 30 - 40 mins every day until the RI is cleared. If its a snake, after nebulizing hold it head down and clean any mucus from the mouth with an ear-bud. If you see no improvement after a week or so, go to a vet. Nebulizing works if you catch RI early however if its severe you may also need antibiotics. You should also check your environment is set up correctly - temps, humidity, etc.

cheers, John
John Berry Reptiles"

I know some whom treat all new snakes this way for quarantine measures.

I had a case of RI recently and got the proper meds and antibiotics to treat it "Baytril" and my snake has taken a complete 180. No more mucus or mouth breathing. I would defiantly go and take her to the vet asap like pitontheprown said they can go down hill real fast. I would take her away from your collection also and quarantine her for atleast 3 months after it clears. I unfortunately think another one of my ball pythons is showing signs of an ri. I made sure i took her away from my established collection and keeping a good eye on her.

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Where do you get F10 from?? Might be one of those things I like to keep on hand "just in case".

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I am not going to argue with everyones opinions because we are all here to help.;)
I just know trying to get huge nasty lugis out of a boas mouth that doesnt want your help SUCKS!!!
After this I tripple clean everything with green soap, then chlorohex, and finally with F10. I know it is overkill but I also saw how quikly it set in on the boa and how fast it went from bubbly saliva to thick yellow sticky snotty stuff.

Rob,
I use the F10 detergent (f10sc XD) a steam sanatizer, a second Chlorahexidine soap (bactistat chg) and then F10sc in the end, every month.

Yes, OP, clean, clean, clean! is important most ri is caused by bacteria so kill it all. (fungus accounts for a little bit and virus for even less thank goodness) I would still go to the vet however. ;)

My friends who own a reptile store treat RI rescues with the fogging method with great success.it s less invasive for the snake and less stressful than injections or a lung wash
However, it only works if the RI is bacterial. If its viral, then there is no treatment. But then again, viral RI is pretty rare.

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every month.

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weekly baby LOL

OCD at its best. I only do it once a month too much time other wise...

What's wrong with ocd? I'm just a little, ok, maybe a lot. :eek:

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What's wrong with ocd? I'm just a little, ok, maybe a lot. :eek:

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nothing................ its one of the few things in life a excell at:rofl::rofl:

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How would a disinfectant being fogged into the enclosure get rid of an RI? Can someone explain the science behid that to me.
Having the snake inhale more humid air and moistore doesnt seem like the best idea haha, but obviously it worked for pit!

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I believe it's marketed in America as a disinfectant because it hasn't been approved for use as a medication for animals/reptiles. It is sold for use with a fogger medicinally in other parts of the world.

~ Karl

Kari is correct that is also why the rest of the line is not sold in the US but it can be ordered from the us distributer. I am in Canada and it is cheaper and faster for me to order from the UK for some unexplained reason...

It takes me 8 hours to clean all 11 fully... I work full time and run a business full time I can't do weekly full cleans... Darn your lidded rack Rob!!!

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It takes me 8 hours to clean all 11 fully... I work full time and run a business full time I can't do weekly full cleans... Darn your lidded rack Rob!!!

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I only have to bend over to get the tub out:gj:
AND with the new hospital style bedside table I get to raise the tubs to the exact height I want to work with that day :banana::banana::banana:

The tubs are easy but the rack is not...

Turns out everyone was wrong about RI, it turned out to be mouth rot and he is now 100% healthy.


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