Why a higher value male to a lower value female?

I was reading east coast breeders page and he stresses never breed a lower value male to a higher value female. I get the concept when considering breeding one male to many females, but his reference seems to be suggesting that this is the case even when breeding one male with one female. Why?

Males are usually much cheaper than females, so if you have a nice female it wouldn't make sense to breed her with something less than her.

what morphs were you thinking of?

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Originally Posted by versicolor

I was reading east coast breeders page and he stresses never breed a lower value male to a higher value female. I get the concept when considering breeding one male to many females, but his reference seems to be suggesting that this is the case even when breeding one male with one female. Why?

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Usually when you see something like that, it is becasue they are thinking from the MONEY aspect of things...you can't make as much money when you breed a $100 male spider to a $600 female pied......so you breed a $1500 desert male to a $600 female pied and make more money.......basically, you see that when people are too worried about making money...thanks for the heads up on who NOT to do business with...wether on purpose or not......

Jason

I wouldn't go as far as to say he's a bad guy and not to do business with him. The article in question was about how to run a snake business so it only makes sense that it would have some money tips in it and if your snake business is whats putting food on your family's table than who is to blame them for thinking about money?

The reason from what I can see os because you spend more money on a nice male that can be bred to more than one female. Females cost more so you can get a nice double gene male and a couple single gene females and not hurt your wallet as much =P

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Originally Posted by Scubaf250

I wouldn't go as far as to say he's a bad guy and not to do business with him. The article in question was about how to run a snake business so it only makes sense that it would have some money tips in it and if your snake business is whats putting food on your family's table than who is to blame them for thinking about money?

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That was not explained, there was also, not a link to the page/article in question. I have also never heard of East Coast whatever......I didn't say he/she was a bad guy, just not a hobbyist that I would wanna spend my hard earned money with......again, if it is a JOB/FULL TIME BUSINESS/ONLY SOURCE OF INCOME, I can see that......different to advertise that to the general public, and not provide reasons.....I don't know if I would have worded it that way....shoot, maybe it IS worded correctly, and that was not explained by the OP.......I apologize for jumping to conclusions, and had a link to the article, or had it been copied and pasted, maybe I would have approached it differently.

Jason

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Originally Posted by JTrott

Usually when you see something like that, it is becasue they are thinking from the MONEY aspect of things...you can't make as much money when you breed a $100 male spider to a $600 female pied......so you breed a $1500 desert male to a $600 female pied and make more money.......basically, you see that when people are too worried about making money...thanks for the heads up on who NOT to do business with...wether on purpose or not......

Jason

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X2 tho it wouldn't stop me from buying. As long as his animals are healthy I feel you can care for your hobby and want to make money too. Look at Kevin for NERD, he makes some of the wildest combos and takes extremely good care of his animals but some of his prices are tru the roof. And as far as the breeding goes, the only reason I can see his logic is because you will eventually you will have multiple females, and buying a more valuable male will save you in the long run.

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Originally Posted by ChrisS

Look at Kevin for NERD, he makes some of the wildest combos and takes extremely good care of his animals but some of his prices are tru the roof.

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I honestly believe that what Kevin sells MOST of his animals for is about animal value, and not what someone has cut someone elses throat to be the first to sell theirs for. Just my opinion, and that could/should be a seperate thread......fair market value........things have changed ALOT in the last 10 years in the ball python market. Lots of good people are gone, and lots of turds are in......not referring to anyone in particular.

Jason

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Originally Posted by JTrott

That was not explained, there was also, not a link to the page/article in question. I have also never heard of East Coast whatever......I didn't say he/she was a bad guy, just not a hobbyist that I would wanna spend my hard earned money with......again, if it is a JOB/FULL TIME BUSINESS/ONLY SOURCE OF INCOME, I can see that......different to advertise that to the general public, and not provide reasons.....I don't know if I would have worded it that way....shoot, maybe it IS worded correctly, and that was not explained by the OP.......I apologize for jumping to conclusions, and had a link to the article, or had it been copied and pasted, maybe I would have approached it differently.

Jason

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Colin is one of the best guys in the business. I actually just picked up a Killer Spin from him last week. All of his animals are top quality and he stands behind them as being such.

Here is a link to the article the OP was talking about: Practical Principles for Ball Python Breeders.
I'd recommend checking it out. It's a very well written and informative article.

The article in question was written by Colin Weaver of http://ballpythonbreeder.com.

He has from what I understand to be an impeccable reputation, and incredible animals. My Hypo Mojo came from him.

The article is written from the angle of someone who does this for a living, and there are many good points in it. I am not seeing how this has any bearing on whether or not someone does business with him.

For the OP, I am sure Colin would have no problem answering your question directly if you shoot him an email.

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Originally Posted by Adam Chandler

Colin is one of the best guys in the business. I actually just picked up a Killer Spin from him last week. All of his animals are top quality and he stands behind them as being such.

Here is a link to the article the OP was talking about: Practical Principles for Ball Python Breeders.
I'd recommend checking it out. It's a very well written and informative article.

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Well, like I said in my last post, had a link to the article been provided by the OP, or the paragraph/statment been copied/pasted, I MIGHT not have repsonded the way that I did initially.....I don't know Colin, nor have I done business with him, and honestly, I probably won't, not because of the article, just because I have people I already spend my money with, and I am a VERY loyal customer if I am done right.

I will take some time to read the article.

Jason

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Originally Posted by JTrott

Usually when you see something like that, it is becasue they are thinking from the MONEY aspect of things...you can't make as much money when you breed a $100 male spider to a $600 female pied......so you breed a $1500 desert male to a $600 female pied and make more money.......basically, you see that when people are too worried about making money...thanks for the heads up on who NOT to do business with...wether on purpose or not......

Jason

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As long as your going one-to-one, and not multiple like you suggested, I see it making no difference. A $100 male spider to a $600 female pied will provide the same as a $600 male pied to a $100 female spider.....

I personnal don't see this as a reason for not doing business with someone, if he thinks it helps make a bit more cash, and isn't harming the animals, why not.

Sorry about that guys, I guess I should have included a link or explained it better.

A female can contribute her genetics to one clutch a year. A male can contribute his genetics to several. Plus, most males are less expensive to buy than a comperable female. So it makes business sense to sink some money into higher value males. But if you're not trying to make money, it's your choice to do the opposite.

I'm going to be breeding a couple of nice morphs to my dinker male over the next several years because I'm not doing it for the money, and because it pleases me to do so. But regardless, I appreciate it when someone gives me free advice on how I can most efficiently make more money selling my snakes if I choose to do so.

After all, some guy could be encouraging me to buy very expensive female morphs from him instead of a single high value male and some less expensive females, and that would be making more money for him. If he's advising me to take a route that is potentially less lucrative for him that leads me to believe that he's not only in it for the money but that he's willing to show me how to get more value for my money.

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Originally Posted by Redneck_Crow

But regardless, I appreciate it when someone gives me free advice on how I can most efficiently make more money selling my snakes if I choose to do so.

After all, some guy could be encouraging me to buy very expensive female morphs from him instead of a single high value male and some less expensive females, and that would be making more money for him. If he's advising me to take a route that is potentially less lucrative for him that leads me to believe that he's not only in it for the money but that he's willing to show me how to get more value for my money.

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x2 I love Colin's articles; they really make me pause and think. Seeing BP breeding from a lucrative fiscal perspective doesn't mean someone is disregarding them as living creatures.

He really does have beautiful animals. He lives near by and I often see him set up at shows around the area. They are just as lovely in person as in the photos on his website.

I mean it makes sense to me... I mean if I have $1000 to spend and I buy a 800 triple gene male and two 100 normal females I'm going to get a lot more in return after the breeding than if I spend 800 on a single gene female and 200 on a single gene male....

Another loyal Colin Weaver customer here. I've purchased a couple of animals from him over the past year.

The article in question is a great read and he explicitly states that he's not writing to the hobbyist breeder in the post. He definitely brings up some good points that might otherwise be lost when considering your strategy in acquiring and pairing animals. I found it most helpful.