My morph explained?

Hey guys, just a quick question since i'm new to ball pythons.

My new python is a "66% PH Caramel Albino" according to the papers that followed my purchase of the animal.

Now, it looks very much like a normal and i'm just wondering if anyone could explain the morph to me, and some examples ofwhat possible morphs i can get if i breed my male later on.

Also;
66% PH - does PH stand for "possible het" and what does that mean?

Thanks!

PH means possible het yes.

Basically..it means you have a 66% chance of the ball python being het for caramel albino, but it still might just be a normal. You'll have to prove it out by breeding.

Caramel albino is a recessive trait and takes two sets of the gene in order to appear. Your snake might carry one of those genes--and if bred to another caramel albino or het caramel albino he would possibly produce more.

So..That's the only recessive gene your snake could produce. But you could always breed your snake with any dominant or co dominant morphs. Spider, pastel, etc.

Check out the world of ball python's page for more information. They have a genetics calculator.

It's super late right now so I am sure I could be explaining things better but I'm tired. Some night owl will come along or someone will answer this in the morning. :rolleyes:

Your snake is Possible het Caramel Albino.....Meaning it is a result of a 100% het caramel male bred to a 100% het caramel female....In order to try to prove him out as indeed being het for caramel albino you need to breed him to either a 100% het caramel female or to improve your chances a visual caramel albino female.....

If you are looking to produce caramel albinos I would suggest getting a visual male and breeding him to 100%het caramel females. Female caramel albinos are known to have problems breeding. Also there is issues with caramel albinos kinking. Just something to think about if your gonna get into that project.
Good luck

Thanks for your input guys. This is some complicated stuff =)

So if i understand this right; My snake has a 66% chance being a Caramel Albino (though it doesnt show because it only has 1 out of 2 genes?) and 34% chance of being a normal ,
and the answer will be given to me once the animal is bred?



Thanks for answering a newbie.

yeah you have to breed him to find out. There is no way to tell otherwise. If he proves out then he will be 100% het.......

Just a quick rundown

100% hets are created by 1 parent being visual of that trait.
IE.....caramel albino x normal......all offspring will be 100% het Caramel albino

100% het x 100% het....all normal appearing offspring are 66% hets

100% het x normal......50% poss hets
There are more combos but you get the idea

Male 100% het Caramels are so cheap now (you can usually get one free with a het female) that it really would not make since to breed this guy to a Het Caramel female to try and prove him…If he doesn’t prove you wasted the het female for the year…

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Originally Posted by MichaelRosendahl

Hey guys, just a quick question since i'm new to ball pythons.

My new python is a "66% PH Caramel Albino" according to the papers that followed my purchase of the animal.

Now, it looks very much like a normal and i'm just wondering if anyone could explain the morph to me, and some examples ofwhat possible morphs i can get if i breed my male later on.

Also;
66% PH - does PH stand for "possible het" and what does that mean?

Thanks!

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Everyone on this thread is doing a great job at explaining the whole % het issue. the only help i can offer on top of it is to check out this link. it will help with any other genetic questions you may have. I learned a lot from it. it will walk you all the way from simple terminology all the way to doing a punnet square for insane combo morphs.

http://www.vmsherp.com/LearningCenter.htm

good luck and happy herping

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Originally Posted by MichaelRosendahl

So if i understand this right; My snake has a 66% chance being a Caramel Albino (though it doesnt show because it only has 1 out of 2 genes?) and 34% chance of being a normal ...

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The visual caramel albinos are homozygous for the caramel albino gene. Homozygous means having a matched set of the gene, one from mom and one from dad. Because caramel is recessive it takes two copies to show.

The most your normal looking animal could be is heterozygous for caramel. Heterozygous means having a mismatched set of the gene in question. Basically your male had a chance to get the gene from both parents but since it doesn't show we know he didn't get it from both and the odds he got it from one or the other is 2:1 so 66% chance.

Coldbloodaddict is right tough about being hard to justify breeding this guy to a known caramel gene female (females are more valuable in their contribution to a clutch because they can have at most 1 clutch a year). I bought the first 66% chance het caramel I ever saw for sale about 12 years ago and it was questionable if I should have breed him then, lol. Kind of funny though as it took me years to get eggs from him and then years to grow those girls up and now about a month to go on the first clutch to possibly test if he had the gene or not when he hatched back in the late 90's I think it was.

Great answers guys, i think i understand it now.
And just to put it out there, i am not very interested in breeding, this is just a pet to me. The only reason for breeding would be to test the genetic setup.

But now i know alot more about the "morph" i own.

In the future though, i might wanna try breeding BP's, who knows...

Your snake is not a morph. It is a normal which may or may not carry the gene required to make a morph..


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You have purchased a normal. That normal has the possibility of carrying the Caramel Albino gene but you won't know if it does unless you breed it to a caramel albino or another het. caramel albino.

The reason you can get a possible het is that the caramel albino gene is a recessive gene so if your breeder bred a caramel albino to a het. caramel albino, what we know about ball python genetics states that he would have gotten 1/2 caramel albinos and 1/2 50% het. caramel albinos.

As for your morph, it's wildtype, its the offspring that could possibly have visual morphs.

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The reason you can get a possible het is that the caramel albino gene is a recessive gene so if your breeder bred a caramel albino to a het. caramel albino, what we know about ball python genetics states that he would have gotten 1/2 caramel albinos and 1/2 50% het. caramel albinos.
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I think you typed that wrong. If you breed a caramel albino to a 100% het caramel albino you would not get 50% hets. Any normals would be 100% het. Breeding an actual, visual recessive morph to any other snake yields 100% hets. If that other snake is also a 100% het you have a chance at getting some visuals of that recessive morph.

The only way to get 50% possible hets is by breeding a 100% het to another snake that is neither het nor visual for that recessive morph.

You get 66% possible hets by breeding 2 100% hets together.

Breeding 2 visuals together gives you all visuals.




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