Need help with breeding ball pythons

Alright so I finally got my 100% het for cinnamon male ball python which I plan to breed with my normal girl who has super nice patterns wondering first what types of babies am I going to get and also how much can I sell some baby cinnamons i already have a rack coming from boaphile plastics which have flexwatt heat tape but was wondering can I keep my male in a 40 gallon and then keep my female in her custom made 5x2x2 cage I am asking because if my female grows bigger than my male then would my female fight my male or possibly eat him or should I keep each of them in a 40 gallon tank

you probably wont get any cinnamons unless the female is het for cinnamon

There is no such thing as a 100% het cinnamon BP. The cinnamon morph is codominate, not recessive.

Breeding a cinnamon to a normal will produce:

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Originally Posted by The Serpent Merchant

There is no such thing as a 100% het cinnamon BP. The cinnamon morph is codominate, not recessive.

Breeding a cinnamon to a normal will produce:

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X2, it is either a cinnamon or it isn't, no hets. Post a pic and we will be able to let you know if it is cinni or not. Check out the classifieds here and on kingsnake.com and fauna classifieds to get an idea of prices. Make sure when you get into breeding that you are prepared to keep any and all offspring you hatch out as they may not sell or they may not sell right away. The search feature on this site will be your best friend, there is a plethora of great information on here. Just sit down and start reading threads. Good luck to you :)

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If you paid for a het cinnamon... you most likely got scammed. It's a cinnamon or it's a normal.

Keep your snakes in their own enclosures. Two snakes in the same tank (especially a male and a female if the female isn't large enough to be bred safely) just causes stress and sickness.

Het for Cinnamon?? You must mean Cinnamon, Recessive Genes are Hets. Cinnamon is a Co-Dominate Gene. Also, if you are a first time Breeder, which it sounds like you are, i would defly stay away from Hets and just focus on Base Morphs. Its up to you though.

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Originally Posted by travis11

Het for Cinnamon?? You must mean Cinnamon, Recessive Genes are Hets. Cinnamon is a Co-Dominate Gene. Also, if you are a first time Breeder, which it sounds like you are, i would defly stay away from Hets and just focus on Base Morphs. Its up to you though.

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Wouldn't a normal cinnamon be heterozygous while a super cinnamon is homozygous? I think the het stamp is mostly reserved for simple recessive genes(where hets aren't visual) just to keep things as simple as possible since in codominate the heterozygous and homozygous forms are visual. Which makes me wonder, would a spider be heterozygous or homozygous or something else? I have no idea how it works with dominate genes.

I know your primary question was regarding breeding but I'm not going to touch that one - it's pretty much already been answered anyhow. But Inarikins is right and snakes should be kept in their own enclosures. Also, a 5x2x2 is HUGE and way too big for an adult BP. Both of your snakes should be in something about the size of that 40gal long tank you mentioned - a 41qt tub has the same size footprint (floor space) as a 40gal tank. This is the perfect size for a male or female BP.

And yes, snakes will sometimes eat each other......

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You should have definitely done more research for housing them before you even considered breeding. Not knowing how much you can sell the babies (mind you they'd be normals and cinnys) worries me. Sounds like you're in it for a quick buck. I suggest doing more research so that if you do it for only money, at least you do it correctly.

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Originally Posted by John1982

Wouldn't a normal cinnamon be heterozygous while a super cinnamon is homozygous? I think the het stamp is mostly reserved for simple recessive genes(where hets aren't visual) just to keep things as simple as possible since in codominate the heterozygous and homozygous forms are visual. Which makes me wonder, would a spider be heterozygous or homozygous or something else? I have no idea how it works with dominate genes.

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With dominate genes there is no visual difference between the heterozygous and homozygous animal.

The only way to tell is to breed them, a heterozygous dominate will result in 50% offspring with the dominate trait. The homozygous snake will pass on the dominate trait 100% of the time.

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Originally Posted by The Serpent Merchant

With dominate genes there is no visual difference between the heterozygous and homozygous animal.

The only way to tell is to breed them, a heterozygous dominate will result in 50% offspring with the dominate trait. The homozygous snake will pass on the dominate trait 100% of the time.

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I also believe there was a thread on here somewhere about the codom actually being an incomplete dominant trait were the homo or super form is the complete dominant or something like that. Its like when people say a fire is het for black eyed Lucy.

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Originally Posted by angel619

I finally got my 100% het for cinnamon male ball python...

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Yes but the only way you would call a cinnamon 'het' for anything would be saying it's 'het super cinnamon'. It wouldn't be labeled a 'het cinnamon' unless somebody was trying to pass off a normal as something it isn't. Fires and Yellowbellies (which can sometimes be called het Black-eyed Leucistic or het ivory) don't look much like a normal though they certainly can at times. They're not called 'het fire' or 'het yellowbelly' they're fire or yellowbelly or het BEL or het ivory.

Hopefully OP comes back with pics so we can confirm the morph but also to figure out what their setup is (hopefully not keeping the two together!) and why they're breeding two animals they really apparently don't know a lot about if they bought a '100% het for cinnamon'. Breeding is a big undertaking and shouldn't be done without a lot of research.

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Alright so I finally got my 100% het for cinnamon

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As mentioned you either have a cinnamon, there is no such snake as a Het Cinnamon

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what types of babies am I going to get

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Normal (See answer above)

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and also how much can I sell some baby cinnamons

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If you had a cinny and had cinnies available now they would go for $100/$150 for males and $200/$250 for females, however this is the price now and by the time you have hatchlings for sale they could be half that, however since you do not have a cinny and will hatch normal those will sell for about $20 retail.

Breeding is a very rewarding experience however I believe you have much to learn before even thinking about how much your hatchling will sell for if they sell, remember because you put two snakes together does not mean you will have eggs and it does not mean you will be able to sell them, don't put the carriage before the horses, do some serious research.

First on genetics to avoid being taking advantage of in the future.

Second do some research on proper optimal husbandry, proper introduction rotation, there is much to learn and much to be prepared for the good thing is that the information is readily available online and learning and doing some research is part of this rewarding experience.

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Originally Posted by Inarikins

Yes but the only way you would call a cinnamon 'het' for anything would be saying it's 'het super cinnamon'. It wouldn't be labeled a 'het cinnamon' unless somebody was trying to pass off a normal as something it isn't. Fires and Yellowbellies (which can sometimes be called het Black-eyed Leucistic or het ivory) don't look much like a normal though they certainly can at times. They're not called 'het fire' or 'het yellowbelly' they're fire or yellowbelly or het BEL or het ivory.

Hopefully OP comes back with pics so we can confirm the morph but also to figure out what their setup is (hopefully not keeping the two together!) and why they're breeding two animals they really apparently don't know a lot about if they bought a '100% het for cinnamon'. Breeding is a big undertaking and shouldn't be done without a lot of research.

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Right, that's what I was getting at. More than likely the OP got wool pulled over his/her eyes I have seen het for everything on CL. I always inquire to see why they have a het for pastel or how one snake has more spider in it then the other (and neither are spiders). There are a lot of people out there that get their hands on normals and try to pass them off as something else.

OP, don't feel bad about buying something that isn't. Post a pic to photobucket and copy the IMG code here into a reply so we can see the snake and actually help you determine if it is in fact a cinnamon. Its possible somebody just got confused in the deal and said something incorrect. Also, try and let us know how your setups are going to be and what your husbandry is like so we can correct anything now, so you wont have problems in the future.

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