Lemonback and Fire

Does anyone know if the Lemonback is compatible with the Fire to make black eyed lucy?

Lemonbacks are fires just like goblins are yellowbelly's :)

Agreed. From my understanding; Lemonbacks, Flame Hypos and Fires are all lines of the same morph. Sulfer may be in that group as well.

That's what I thought, but just wanted to make sure.
Thanks

When did lemonbacks and fires get proven compatible? I always suspected they would be, but as far as I know its never been proven.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

When did lemonbacks and fires get proven compatible? I always suspected they would be, but as far as I know its never been proven.

---

Is there really any doubt?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by snakesRkewl

Is there really any doubt?

---

Well I would of also expected the 3 lines of axanthic and some of the caramel albino stuff to all be compatible also but its not. Sulfurs seem to throw very orange BlkEL, fires mostly throw ones with some color, but I've never seen a super lemonback have any color. It's enough were I wouldn't start calling it fact and just say we don't know for sure.... because we don't.

Flame Hypos also throw pure white BkELs.

It seems they may be related similarly to how the genes on the YB complex are with the Fire types (Fire, Flame, Sulfer, LB) more like the YB and the Vanilla (Vanilla and Disco) types more like the Specter, Gravel etc... if that makes sense.

Specters and gravels while on the same allele as a yellowbelly have their own super form, so the comparison doesn't work :confused:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by snakesRkewl

Specters and gravels while on the same allele as a yellowbelly have their own super form, so the comparison doesn't work :confused:

---

It does because Vanilla and Disco have different super form that is not BkEL and not Vanilla Cream. Also there really do not seem to be enough Supers of Gravel, Specter etc... to really say it is not an animal to animal variation.

Even then the comparison gets the point across that the BkEL complex may act in a similar fashion to the YB complex.

I thought I read recently that vanilla was an allele of fire. It was news to me so if anyone can also confirm that please? I am pretty sure vanilla wasn't mentioned as being in the yb/specter/whirlwind/gravel/spark allele complex. Vanilla does have a super (different looking homozygous version), it's just not very leucistic like but I guess I could see it being related to the fire/lemon back/ember/sulfur (which may or may not be related to each other) based on the hets all being bright.

Vanilla Supers with Fire to make the Vanilla Cream. Similar to how YB and Specter make a Super Stripe.

Also, I am pretty sure that VCs cannot reproduce themselves. The Disco gene is thought to be very similar to Vanilla.

Now, as to has someone bred a Fire and Lemonback together, that I do not know.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by jinx667

Vanilla Supers with Fire to make the Vanilla Cream. Similar to how YB and Specter make a Super Stripe.

Also, I am pretty sure that VCs cannot reproduce themselves. The Disco gene is thought to be very similar to Vanilla.

---

Thanks, if the Vanilla Cream to normal only produces Vanilla and Fire (about 50/50 with no normals and no Vanilla Cream) that would be a pretty good indication that Vanilla is indeed an allele of Fire. Could just be closely linked genes I suppose. I don’t remember even hearing of the Disco gene.

Sorry for the side bar, I'd also be interested to know what crosses have been done between the lemon back, fire, ember, and sulfur to prove the assumption that they are all alleles and in some cases perhaps even the exact same mutation (as opposed to an allele which is a different mutation of the same gene).

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by RandyRemington

Thanks, if the Vanilla Cream to normal only produces Vanilla and Fire (about 50/50 with no normals and no Vanilla Cream) that would be a pretty good indication that Vanilla is indeed an allele of Fire. Could just be closely linked genes I suppose. I don’t remember even hearing of the Disco gene.

Sorry for the side bar, I'd also be interested to know what crosses have been done between the lemon back, fire, ember, and sulfur to prove the assumption that they are all alleles and in some cases perhaps even the exact same mutation (as opposed to an allele which is a different mutation of the same gene).

---

I reckon it is because they all produce BkELs with varying degrees of yellow on average.

The comparison that it may work something like a Axanthic is much less likely than it working more like the YB and BEL complexes.

I will be breeding my Flame Hypo girl to my Fire YB in a couple of years, and I anticipate I will get a BkEL.

Fire and sulfur have been breed together and produced a BlkEL, VC have been reported not to reproduce themselves, so its pretty much proven fire and vanilla are part of the same complex.

I don't see how ember cannot be the same exact thing as a sulfur, both founding snakes bought at the same place on the same day, they look the same, both make BlkEL.... why they think they need to be called something different I have no idea.

Never herd about disco being a part of this either, is it just speculation or has someone done it?

The Disco X Fire has a reaction similar to the VC.

http://www.reptileradio.net/reptiler...ght=Disco+Fire

On the Specter X YB, is it like the VC? When paired with a normal, it can't reproduce itself? It only produces YB or Specter?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by ClarkT

On the Specter X YB, is it like the VC? When paired with a normal, it can't reproduce itself? It only produces YB or Specter?

---

Yes.