Disturbing: Michigan Pig Farm Raids

http://www.naturalnews.com/035585_Mi...rms_raids.html

This is concerning for all of us I believe. Although it is not regarding snakes, it is an issue over an "invasive species". This is why we need to support USARK....:(

Ok I don't understand, he is doing nothing wrong, but yet has to shoot his own pigs to avoid being a felon??? wtf?

What is wrong with this country?!?!

Excuse me, but I would like to point out that all pigs in this country are an invasive species...

Here is another article about it: http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews...asive-speciesq

Michigan for you...

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Originally Posted by Slim

Excuse me, but I would like to point out that all pigs in this country are an invasive species...

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They are also a major business and food source, many even claim our hobby is loaded with invasive and potentially invasive species. This is still disturbing.

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Originally Posted by Dragoon

They are also a major business and food source, many even claim our hobby is loaded with invasive and potentially invasive species. This is still disturbing.

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I was just pointing out the hypocrisy of the whole situation...

gota love our government they keep us safe killing pigs

Horses, dogs, cats, and most household pets are invasive and "not naturally occurring" species... Will they come to each of our houses and force us to shoot every animal we own?

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Originally Posted by xFenrir

Will they come to each of our houses and force us to shoot every animal we own?

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Not if your animal isn't what you shoot ;)

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Originally Posted by Slim

Not if your animal isn't what you shoot ;)

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I see what you did there. Lol.

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Originally Posted by xFenrir

Horses, dogs, cats, and most household pets are invasive and "not naturally occurring" species... Will they come to each of our houses and force us to shoot every animal we own?

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Sadly, I believe the answer is, given enough time, undoubtedly yes.

I'm pretty sure we fought a revolution in response to an abusive and tyrannous government similar to ours.

Further, ALL pigs will change their appearance if they are "free range" and not kept up in small pens. That pink little wilbur will look a lot like a russian boar if allowed to range freely either on a farm or in the wild. We have 100s of thousands of them wild here in GA and I have not heard of a single attack.

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Originally Posted by xFenrir

Horses, dogs, cats, and most household pets are invasive and "not naturally occurring" species... Will they come to each of our houses and force us to shoot every animal we own?

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If someone comes to my house with a gun and tells me to shoot my animals i can assure you the clip will be unloaded quickly, but not into any of my animals. My stepdad also conveniently has a rather large sword collection :cool:

This is outrageous. If this is true why isn't it in the national media yet? This is homegrown terrorism by defintion. Who needs radical Islamists when all you need is a few power hungry beaurocrats.

It's not in the media, because HSUS has the media in their back pocket. How much did you hear about PETA being in court trying to justify their killing of animals in parking lots that they'd JUST taken to "find good homes for" and then dumping the dead pets in random dumpsters? How much did you see in he media when HSUS was being sued by the STATE of Lousisana for taking in millions of dollars for Katrina dogs, and not taking care of any of the pets?

The farms in the article are hunt clubs that breed "boar" for hunts. But the reasoning is that those particular pigs may get loose and breed... which is patently ridiculous, since feral pigs are all over the whole country already. One person in the comments even claimed that the pigs were brought from other feral populations and were a risk for a type of rabies!! It's a USDA operation, therfore all testing, all vaccines, all care and treatment is covered by FEDERAL law and oversight.

It's step one in the animal rights agenda. Get a few spots that most people won't care about "Hey, it's just those canned hunt people! Who cares!", then use the same laws on a few more... and a few more... until they show up at your door with a legal paper saying "Hey, we're here to arrest you for owning that lab puppy, invasive species, feral dogs, we're going to shoot it and arrest you."

Until that moment, most of the people in the country won't care, won't believe and won't do a single thing to help any of us.

This reminds me of that scene from Equilibrium where they shoot all the "Sense offenders" for having pet dogs...and then exterminate the dogs...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNF4UjQ2Vlw

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Originally Posted by Highline Reptiles South

Further, ALL pigs will change their appearance if they are "free range" and not kept up in small pens. That pink little wilbur will look a lot like a russian boar if allowed to range freely either on a farm or in the wild. We have 100s of thousands of them wild here in GA and I have not heard of a single attack.

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Firstly they are not targeting Wilbur.. Yorks, landrace, big whites.. those are all commercial animals. And if you let one of those thing out into the wild it would not turn into a Russian boar... it would stay pink and naked.

Secondly they are going after heritage breeds. Smaller, hairier hogs like Arapawas, Razorbaclks or Ossabaws. These pigs were originally bred to be able to fend for themselves. Farmers would generally set them free then collect them later.

I think it is awful that they are targeting these small farmers.. especially when they are leaving the big commercial farms alone...

Actually Sissysnakes, it's kind of been proven that released/escaped commercial pigs will indeed become hairy, leaner, the snouts get longer over a period of months. "Domestic" pigs will go feral in appearance in a amazingly short period of time, I believe unlike most other animals.

But the "heirloom" breeds is also not quite right, since the breeds are mostly a cross between russian boar and other more common breeds, bred to look more wild.

It doesn't matter WHAT breed of pig they had. It's their legal livelihood, USDA and all. The authorities are stretching a vaguely defined term "non-indigenous" and using that to target people that they think they can get away with bullying out of business.

The government may pay "compensation" for the dead pigs, but they have destroyed the entire business, and you can't suddenly start a new business and gain income after they've taken every aspect of his income away.

I actually just thought of a solution for these farmers, at least a very temporary one. If they dock ears and tails, and shave the animals, the animals will conform...lol.

It's true, though--any breed of pig will change dramatically in appearance once it goes feral. Why is not fully understood, but a feral pig becomes hairy, dark, and its facial structure changes--it goes from a dished face, to a flat face like a wild boar has. These changes occur in only one generation--that nice, white, hairless pig will give birth to little hairy beasts with flat faces, if it's living in the wild. In fact, it won't stay hairless--it WILL grow thick hair, once it is living wild. She'll never look entirely like a feral hog--but her offspring will.

I can't wait until I can get out and start destroying exotic invasive species... Mmmmm Pheasant. :tongue2:

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Originally Posted by xFenrir

Horses, dogs, cats, and most household pets are invasive and "not naturally occurring" species... Will they come to each of our houses and force us to shoot every animal we own?

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Eventually, if they're not stopped.

The "animal rights" people want all our animals dead because it's "cruel to enslave them".

[what a joke that is....I don't see anybody in this house bringing me my every meal, tending my every need, bathing me, grooming me and practically wiping my butt...who's the real 'slave'?]

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Originally Posted by MarkS

I can't wait until I can get out and start destroying exotic invasive species... Mmmmm Pheasant. :tongue2:

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:rofl:

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Originally Posted by Slim

Not if your animal isn't what you shoot ;)

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I'm good to go.

http://file.walagata.com/w/the-salam...guard_copy.jpg

http://file.walagata.com/w/the-salamander/donttread.jpg

:D

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Originally Posted by WingedWolfPsion

I actually just thought of a solution for these farmers, at least a very temporary one. If they dock ears and tails, and shave the animals, the animals will conform...lol.

It's true, though--any breed of pig will change dramatically in appearance once it goes feral. Why is not fully understood, but a feral pig becomes hairy, dark, and its facial structure changes--it goes from a dished face, to a flat face like a wild boar has. These changes occur in only one generation--that nice, white, hairless pig will give birth to little hairy beasts with flat faces, if it's living in the wild. In fact, it won't stay hairless--it WILL grow thick hair, once it is living wild. She'll never look entirely like a feral hog--but her offspring will.

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Genetic atavism?

Even our dogs are only a few mixed litters away from being Dingos and wolves.

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Wish you'd seen the herd of hogs the guy back the road used to have.
They weren't feral but they were basically left to their own devices all year long, save the odd feeding of grain once in a while.

They had run of a 50 acre field with woods and you couldn't have paid me to step across that electric fence..even when the sows didn't have litters.

They were hairy, dark, huge and lanky and very 'independent'.
The boars had incredible tusks.

there has been invasions on farmers that are produces cows milk, and not pasteurizing it. Which is a very normal thing, as people have been drinking straight up milk, and never had any issues on it. My wife for example, drank it all the time, as she lived on a dairy farm. So, a friend of mine is going to provide us with some raw milk when his cows are ready. Where I live, it's been an on going debate, and I believe something was just passed (in Canada, at least in one Province). I provided a link to give you all an idea. As for the invasion on pigs...wtf. Is this due mostly with the out break of Hogs in the lower states, or am I missing something?

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20...-business?lite

sounds to me, that these hogs/pigs, were free run pigs, and not housed up in a facility that is meant to produce produce produce, and having free pigs, may cause harm to the outside environment, if they were to break out. Brutal, as the farmer had built his fences strong enough to contain his animals. :mad:

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Originally Posted by 4Ballz

there has been invasions on farmers that are produces cows milk, and not pasteurizing it. Which is a very normal thing, as people have been drinking straight up milk, and never had any issues on it. My wife for example, drank it all the time, as she lived on a dairy farm. So, a friend of mine is going to provide us with some raw milk when his cows are ready. Where I live, it's been an on going debate, and I believe something was just passed (in Canada, at least in one Province). I provided a link to give you all an idea. As for the invasion on pigs...wtf. Is this due mostly with the out break of Hogs in the lower states, or am I missing something?

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20...-business?lite

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Not to put too fine a point on it, but the only reason you can drink raw milk at all is because of a government program to test and kill all cattle in the US with Brucellosis. The Government has been killing infected cattle with brucellosis for nearly 100 years. The Government killing farm animals is really nothing new but I haven't heard of it being done before for reasons other then eradicating diseases.

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Originally Posted by MarkS

Not to put too fine a point on it, but the only reason you can drink raw milk at all is because of a government program to test and kill all cattle in the US with Brucellosis. The Government has been killing infected cattle with brucellosis for nearly 100 years. The Government killing farm animals is really nothing new but I haven't heard of it being done before for reasons other then eradicating diseases.

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Yup. You can get a bunch of things from unpasteurized milk and Brucellosis is only one of them.

The reason they do this to pigs is because of their ability to adapt to living in the wild so quick and thrive.

Is this ridiculous? Yes I think so. I can't believe some of the things that people think are right. Raising hogs or pigs is such a huge source of food for our country and a way of living for so many people.

land of the free indeed.

Pigs, snakes, dogs, cats...

I can think of yet another invasive species in North America..... us.

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Originally Posted by MarkS

Not to put too fine a point on it, but the only reason you can drink raw milk at all is because of a government program to test and kill all cattle in the US with Brucellosis. The Government has been killing infected cattle with brucellosis for nearly 100 years. The Government killing farm animals is really nothing new but I haven't heard of it being done before for reasons other then eradicating diseases.

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I'm not in the US though. I understand diseased animals and such, but it's getting out of hand lately.

I think Canada used to have a similar process but they successfully eradicated the disease from their herds decades ago and don't even require yearly testing any more. The US hasn't been able to do that because wild elk herds out west are still a vector for the disease and they have infected cattle in the past.

It is getting out of hand though when they destroy herds of pigs just because they 'might' turn feral 'if' they escape.

Exactly! Destroying infected animals has never been an issue to any rancher/farmer. They don't want infected animals any more than the government does! But to destroy animals because they "might" escape? They may as well start eradicating all animals including dogs and cats.

Imagine if they started forcing people to kill all their dogs because they "might" bite people... oh wait... breed legislation is step 1 of that plan.

I'd also like to point out that all horses in the Americas are invasive. In fact, there are no "wild" horses in America, only feral horses. Yet everyone is clamoring to protect THEM...

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Originally Posted by 4Ballz

I'm not in the US though. I understand diseased animals and such, but it's getting out of hand lately.

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Next 4 years will probably determine if I want join you in canada.

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Originally Posted by alkibp

I can think of yet another invasive species in North America..... us.

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Actually, no. We are here legitimately, through natural range expansion. Just like the armadillos that crossed the Mississippi. ;)