Balls from specific areas

Does anyone know where I could find some information on what areas different morphs and "normals" come from?

They are found in Africa from Senegal, Mali, Guinea-Bissau, Guinea, Sierra Leone, Liberia, Ivory Coast, Ghana, Benin,and Nigeria through Cameroon, Chad and the Central African Republic to Sudan and Uganda.

:) I guess I was looking for something more specific. Like cinnamons were found in this area. I remember reading something that mentioned something about it but not like a detailed list or map.

I vaguely remember outback selling some wild caught "Ghana giants" or maybe it'd been farm raised.... Either way, there was some talk of the snakes from that area being larger

The only morph that I know of that was named after the area that is was originally found is the Enchi. The larger Ball Pythons that are mentioned above, I believe, are from a specific, desert region, but I don't remember the name. I'll see what I can find out...

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Does anyone know where I could find some information on what areas different morphs and "normals" come from?

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I doubt anyone that knows would be willing to divulge that information...

The only thing i have ever heard of along that line is the sub-Saharan royals. I happen to be fortunate and own one. They are bred from the sub-Saharan region and tend to be larger than typical and often have big heads.

http://images15.fotki.com/v588/photo...uno0144-vi.jpgHosted on Fotki

3800gm and just under 6 feet.

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Originally Posted by Vypyrz

The only morph that I know of that was named after the area that is was originally found is the Enchi. The larger Ball Pythons that are mentioned above, I believe, are from a specific, desert region, but I don't remember the name. I'll see what I can find out...

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Originally Posted by kitedemon

The only thing i have ever heard of along that line is the sub-Saharan royals. I happen to be fortunate and own one. They are bred from the sub-Saharan region and tend to be larger than typical and often have big heads.

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I was wrong. They come from a specific mountain region, and, as Kitedemon said, they are known as Sub-Saharan Royals, or Northern Regius...

Ghana giants may exist too, I don't know, I only know of the Saharans. There is little info available I would venture a guess if something unique looking was collected the collector would be interested in keeping that location private.

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Originally Posted by kitedemon

Ghana giants may exist too, I don't know, I only know of the Saharans. There is little info available I would venture a guess if something unique looking was collected the collector would be interested in keeping that location private.

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Yeah I guess just a different line if thinking. It would be interesting to see different localities of ball pythons. Size color patterns.

I have what I believe is a Ghana Giant female, purchased from Outback. She was imported in 2010, and laid a clutch of 13 for me. Unfortunately, I was lacking in experience and no hatchlings survived.

Here are a few photos of her and my large "normal" girl.

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This is the two of them side by side.

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This is a closeup of their heads. Note the difference in size and shape of the head on my Ghana girl on the left.

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Another closeup, the Ghana is on the right. Both girls are nearly 6 feet long, and the light female is actually almost 800 grams heavier than the dark Ghana girl is.

Gale

Thanks Gale. I wonder if the sub-saharen and Ghana giants are actually the same? The northern range of royals and the mountainous part of ghana in the north and quite close. I wonder if the it is just a pockets of the similar sub species. I have an offspring on mine and he is a big male 1850gm and 5'5'' at just under 3 years that makes him quite large too.

Could very well be.

I am not overly concerned about where she came from, I just hope she hits that mythical 8000 gram mark one day. :D

Well, that and I hope she passes on her size to her offspring. I would imagine a 7000 gram female morph would command quite a price. :cool:

Gale

I wonder if the 3 "bog ones" I have are from one of those places. I have a giant Pastel male (see my gallery) that's over 5 and half feet and has peaked at well over 3000g. ANd he has a huge head compared to all but 2 of my females. The 2 females with big head are big in their own right. The heaviest being over 3400g.

Makes me wonder how size genetics work. Is it recessive? Dominant?

Just from looking at offspring it I think it is fairly simple at a guess with out ever testing incomplete dom is what I'd guess.

I think this is the information you were after or part of it at least lol
THIS IS NOT MY COMMENT I take no credit ---- I copied it for information - I hope he doesn't mind me sharing this.

Sub sahara's are a giant locality of ball. They are only found in the one region of northern Ghana.

Most of your commonly imported morphs could all be considered locality animals too.

All yellow bellies are found in a certain locality in that country.
All pieds have been collected in a small locality of Ghana.
All lavender albino's are collected in one area of Benin
Ghost are all found in the same locality "pocket" as they call it.

Pastels are found in a small belt way that runs acrossed the 3 countries, (Ghana, Benin, Togo) .

These could all be considered localities of balls as due to inbreeding in the wild ,the mutant genes are spread in the area they were created in, so that area is where the animals stay and breed spreading the gene, becoming a locality specific animal.

That is why we have gotten 10 c.h/w.c ghost in a 5 month time frame, and have gotten 15-20 yellow bellies c.h / w.c in a 6-8 month time frame, as they are all collected and exported from the same locality.

There is a lot of work to be done on wild populations of balls.
Thanks, Outback Reptiles
josh@outbackreptiles.com

double post...

I believe enchi's are named after a village of the same name in west Ghana where they where first found

Sub Sahara 's have popped up on another forum discussion as well , the best consensus there was they could be identified by a larger head than normal .

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Originally Posted by Jaz007

I think this is the information you were after or part of it at least lol
THIS IS NOT MY COMMENT I take no credit ---- I copied it for information - I hope he doesn't mind me sharing this.

Sub sahara's are a giant locality of ball. They are only found in the one region of northern Ghana.

Most of your commonly imported morphs could all be considered locality animals too.

All yellow bellies are found in a certain locality in that country.
All pieds have been collected in a small locality of Ghana.
All lavender albino's are collected in one area of Benin
Ghost are all found in the same locality "pocket" as they call it.

Pastels are found in a small belt way that runs acrossed the 3 countries, (Ghana, Benin, Togo) .

These could all be considered localities of balls as due to inbreeding in the wild ,the mutant genes are spread in the area they were created in, so that area is where the animals stay and breed spreading the gene, becoming a locality specific animal.

That is why we have gotten 10 c.h/w.c ghost in a 5 month time frame, and have gotten 15-20 yellow bellies c.h / w.c in a 6-8 month time frame, as they are all collected and exported from the same locality.

There is a lot of work to be done on wild populations of balls.
Thanks, Outback Reptiles
josh@outbackreptiles.com

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I think this is what I've read before. Thanks! Maybe josh is who I should talk to.