Corrugated wrap as substrate? Thoughts?

Saw this on the reptile report this morning. Looks good to me as long the the edges aren't super sharp. What are your thoughts?

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I use corrugated wrap, works great.

It is as easy to clean as any other paper based substrate, but hold up better and is more absorbent.

Its the best paper based substrate you can use.

I have been considering switching from paper towels to corrugated wrap myself over the past few months. The only thing that has stopped me so far is that you seem to have to order in bulk, and the rolls look pretty big. I just don't know where to store the extra since my snake room is almost at max capacity as is...

I think it looks REALLY nice. MUCH nicer than just plain white paper towels...

I like it but theres no way its easier than newspaper. It takes alot of work to get the sheets prepared for the tanks. Unless its super common for boas to poop along the walls like that i dont see why newspaper would work just as well. Every once in awhile you may have to do a little scrubbing, but id rather do that than have to take the time to prepare all those sheets. Plus theres leftover scraps which arent really useable for the tanks at least.

I currently use newpaper, but I've wanted to try the wrap.
My issue with it, like others, is buying it in bulk. I too have no space to store it. I share an apartment with 3 others and my storage area is to the max.



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Yeah storage would be an issue...

My main deal would be that it's one solid piece so if the able goes in the back corner you have to pull the whole thing. At lease with paper towels of newspaper you can do the tank in sections. I guess you could do it in sections with the wrap too but that looks like it would add a lot of time to an already time consuming possess...


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Originally Posted by Mike41793

I like it but theres no way its easier than newspaper. It takes alot of work to get the sheets prepared for the tanks. Unless its super common for boas to poop along the walls like that i dont see why newspaper would work just as well. Every once in awhile you may have to do a little scrubbing, but id rather do that than have to take the time to prepare all those sheets. Plus theres leftover scraps which arent really useable for the tanks at least.

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+1 I don't see a benefit that would out weight the additional effort and, I'd imagine, cost difference from newspaper.


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Originally Posted by Gomojoe

+1 I don't see a benefit that would out weight the additional effort and, I'd imagine, cost difference from newspaper.


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Nothing beats free :)

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

Nothing beats free :)

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Lol, I pay a little cause I don't normally subscribe and I prefer clean paper that I get at uhaul, but I'd still think that's cheaper than buying the corrugated.


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I use indented kraft paper and love it.

http://www.uline.com/BL_1961/Indented-Kraft-Paper

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Originally Posted by Gomojoe

Lol, I pay a little cause I don't normally subscribe and I prefer clean paper that I get at uhaul, but I'd still think that's cheaper than buying the corrugated.


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Try calling some local newspaper companies. After printing they throw away their spent/end rolls and many of these have a great deal of blank paper left on them. Ask nicely and they'll often give you a time frame in which you can come pickup as many end rolls as you like for free.

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Originally Posted by Slim

I use indented kraft paper and love it.

http://www.uline.com/BL_1961/Indented-Kraft-Paper

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x2. It takes me about 2-4 hours a month to cut enough for all three of our tub sizes but I love the stuff.

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Originally Posted by Slim

I use indented kraft paper and love it.

http://www.uline.com/BL_1961/Indented-Kraft-Paper

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I order mine pre-cut from www.cageliners.net

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Originally Posted by jinx667

I order mine pre-cut from www.cageliners.net

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I can never get that website to work for me.

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Originally Posted by Slim

I can never get that website to work for me.

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Weird, I just clicked on it and it came up?

Here is the guys email: snakepliscan@prodigy.net

His name is Charles

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Originally Posted by jinx667

Weird, I just clicked on it and it came up?

Here is the guys email: snakepliscan@prodigy.net

His name is Charles

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Thanks for the info. I can get the site to come up, I just can't figure out how to place an order from it. I'll drop Charles an email.

Just switched to cageliners bulk roll a couple months ago and I'll never use anything else. Order by width and cut to length. I think it helps with humidity compared to newspaper also. I've not had to mist at all like i did with newspaper and humidity stays around 63 percent.

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Originally Posted by Slim

Thanks for the info. I can get the site to come up, I just can't figure out how to place an order from it. I'll drop Charles an email.

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You have to email Charles with what you want (size/quantity) and he gets back to you with a total for the paper and shipping...

http://www.cageliners.net/dclshipping.htm

I used the corrugated wrap years ago...It dried may snakes out horribly!!!

DCL is the best!!!

http://www.cageliners.net/index.html

I have never used it so people with experience with this would know better but corrugated cardboard is a good insulator does the wrap effect the temps if you are using UTHs? That would be my concern past that it seems like a good substrate.

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I have never used it so people with experience with this would know better but corrugated cardboard is a good insulator does the wrap effect the temps if you are using UTHs? That would be my concern past that it seems like a good substrate.

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Bumping because I want to know as well. Also, is the shipping ridiculous because of the weight?

It doesn't kill the temps too much, it is only half of a sheet of cardboard, most of cardboards insulating properties are due to the air pockets in-between the 2 layers. Since those air pockets do not exist, the heat loss is minimal.

As for shipping it really depends on where you buy it. shop around. This is where I get it shipping isn't too bad

I pay $28 for a 250 foot tool, and an additional $25 for shipping. (a single 250 foot roll gives me 125 cage changes so it lasts a long time)

http://www.papermart.com/Product%20P...x?GroupID=4608

(you can even get it in different colors from this vendor)

I am going to switch but see a couple things about both that I like. Does anyone here have experience with both? I like the corregated stuff but heard it saps humidity. Then the cage liners look cool and I like that I can get them pre cut. Anyone have an idea on which is better. I do like the fact that the corregated stuff is only 2.5 hours from me so I can even drive and pick it up.

I use shop towels. I breed corns as well and their poops are VERY wet and very stinky. With the blue shop towel, I literally never have to scrub anything, ever. The shop towels completely absorb any liquid, and usually all that's left is urates powder. What can't be picked up with the used shop towel, I just bang out into the garbage and spray it down and wipe.

Seriously since I've started using shop towels I've never had to take a bin into the shower and soak it.

Only thing is shop towel is a bit more expensive than paper towel, but I find you have to use less of it. Also if you cruise the local Hardware flyers, I find it goes on sale. Home Hardware was recently selling rolls of it for $1.60 each so I bought about 20 of them, lol.

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I am going to switch but see a couple things about both that I like. Does anyone here have experience with both? I like the corregated stuff but heard it saps humidity. Then the cage liners look cool and I like that I can get them pre cut. Anyone have an idea on which is better. I do like the fact that the corregated stuff is only 2.5 hours from me so I can even drive and pick it up.

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I use corrugated wrap in my PVC cages, and have found it to be humidity neutral... Before I used it (was using butchers paper or paper towels) my humidity stayed around 60% without misting, and now that I use it my humidity is still 60% without misting.

* I do live in a humid area, and my cages hold humidity in very well

** I haven't used the cage liners yet, but will give them a try once my current roll of corrugated wrap runs out.

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Originally Posted by SquamishSerpents

I use shop towels. I breed corns as well and their poops are VERY wet and very stinky. With the blue shop towel, I literally never have to scrub anything, ever. The shop towels completely absorb any liquid, and usually all that's left is urates powder. What can't be picked up with the used shop towel, I just bang out into the garbage and spray it down and wipe.

Seriously since I've started using shop towels I've never had to take a bin into the shower and soak it.

Only thing is shop towel is a bit more expensive than paper towel, but I find you have to use less of it. Also if you cruise the local Hardware flyers, I find it goes on sale. Home Hardware was recently selling rolls of it for $1.60 each so I bought about 20 of them, lol.

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I used to use shop towels but they are TOO absorbent. They suck the humidity completely out of my snakes. I never had a good shed while using shop towels. Now I use just regular kraft paper but i like the idea of the corregated stuff.

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Originally Posted by The Serpent Merchant

I use corrugated wrap in my PVC cages, and have found it to be humidity neutral... Before I used it (was using butchers paper or paper towels) my humidity stayed around 60% without misting, and now that I use it my humidity is still 60% without misting.

* I do live in a humid area, and my cages hold humidity in very well

** I haven't used the cage liners yet, but will give them a try once my current roll of corrugated wrap runs out.

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I like the idea that cage liners are mold resistant and pre cut, but I like the corregated stuff because I figure it will help with shed and give the ball something to rub on.

All paper is hydroscopic it will pull some water from the air and lock it away and not release it. It is a property of cellulose.

I still use coco coir products environmentally friendly and cheap. I didn't realize that the paper was so much! (about 100 changes (?) for 53$ ? I'd average $5.30 a week! I get about 125 (220L) changes for 7$ average 31¢ a week)

Sorry my dad is very Scottish...

I use Kraft Bogus paper. It is thicker than newsprint and with a cutter, I can make a liner in seconds. I've made a mark 14" from my cutter. Pull a sheet to the mark, tear it off. Viola, liner is ready. The bottom of my tubs are 30" by 14", so a 30" roll is perfect (ARS Caging 7030).

I've calculated the cost to be .05 cents per change. I used to use newspaper and it took a long time to fold up to fit my ARS tubs. The bogus paper is more absorbent than newsprint and has the added benefit of being the same color (gray) as my tubs.

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Originally Posted by Rat160

I used to use shop towels but they are TOO absorbent. They suck the humidity completely out of my snakes. I never had a good shed while using shop towels. Now I use just regular kraft paper but i like the idea of the corregated stuff.

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Interesting! I have zero problems with humidity, I'm guessing because of where I live, though. Squamish is about 40 minutes away from Vancouver, BC, so I'm very near to the ocean and it rains here like, 10 months out of the year. Always have perfect sheds, no RIs or anything either. Totally didn't clue in that I might be very lucky to have such high humidity where I live!

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Originally Posted by kitedemon

All paper is hydroscopic it will pull some water from the air and lock it away and not release it. It is a property of cellulose.

I still use coco coir products environmentally friendly and cheap. I didn't realize that the paper was so much! (about 100 changes (?) for 53$ ? I'd average $5.30 a week! I get about 125 (220L) changes for 7$ average 31¢ a week)

Sorry my dad is very Scottish...

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Now that isn't 125 full cage changes. In my 4 foot cages I use 2, 2 foot sections (wastes less when soiled) I get 125 1/2 cage changes... I very rarely need to change out a full cage.

The biggest downside to corrugated wrap is that the 250 foot rolls are about 3 feet in diameter

I don't have a problem with storage so I think I'm going to try the corrugated wrap, I like the idea of making a tray since my snakes seem to poop in the corner on the side of the tub. Isn't that hard to scrub a couple tubs but when you have 40 snakes it gets tedious.


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