New Genetics Calc

http://www.owalreptiles.com/genetics.php

Alright, I think I have most of the bugs fixed up. So far one I know that is the tabbing on the bottom doesn't always display correctly in chrome, appears to always work in firefox however. Anything else you notice, let me know. WE can call this a public beta.

I have videos showing how things work http://www.owalreptiles.com/media.php

some things ill answer right away because I know they are going to get brought up...

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What is Unproven Dominant?
It is a classification I made up. I feel there is a need to differentiate between dominant morphs and the ones that are on the waiting list, which I call unproven dominant. A dominant morph has a visual change in the heterozygous form and the exact same change in the homozygous form. I define an unproven dominant as a morph having an unknown homozygous form. More more information visit the Genetic Information Page.

Who proved out the dominant traits?
Daddy Gene - Ralph Davis Reptiles (Clutch Number 76)
Congo - Cutting Edge Herp
Pinstripe - BHB Enterprises

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Enjoy and I can only make it better if you give me feedback.

Very interesting. I'm going to have fun messing around with it.

......Snake measurer! Ohhh I love you OP.

You are my new hero.

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Originally Posted by Xotik

......Snake measurer! Ohhh I love you OP.

You are my new hero.

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Haha, is a cool program, I can't take credit for that one though. All credit goes to Marcin Stefanski.

I also forgot, I kept getting asked for pictures to be added. I made a submit form so you can easily send your pictures in and I can add them. http://www.owalreptiles.com/submit.php

looks interesting, will play around with it and let you know if i got any suggestions, issues, or ideas. Thanks.

Wow, you've got some morphs on here that I've never ever heard of! (Philistine, reaper, etc.) Google time ...

Very nice calculator! I like the layout and organization of your calc a lot better than the Wizard. :gj:

Have you thought about making an iPhone app?

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Originally Posted by Serpent_Nirvana

Wow, you've got some morphs on here that I've never ever heard of! (Philistine, reaper, etc.) Google time ...

Very nice calculator! I like the layout and organization of your calc a lot better than the Wizard. :gj:

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Bill Butchman (might of spelled that wrong) founded both of those morphs.

Yea it took a while for me to figure how to get combos in there and still keep it somewhat clean, glad you like it.

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Originally Posted by adamsky27

Have you thought about making an iPhone app?

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My brother just started playing with the mobile stuff, so it might be a possibility but don't expect anything anytime soon. Sorry.

Looks / works great! :gj:

I agree, looks great and thank-you for the tool:D

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I cant find any problems with it. Its accurate and loads quickly. Ausome tool. Thank you for making it.

AWESOME AWESOME AWESOME! Helping me out with my breeding plans so much!

Others have already mentioned things to like about the new OWAL genetics calculator. I like them, too. Nobody mentioned the unproven dominant category, which was a feature that I liked.

IMO, the calculator is not perfect. I thought the genotypes and phenotypes should be better differentiated. Here are some other things I did not like:

1. The unproven dominant mutants are present only as mutant/normal gene pairs. There was no way to choose a gene pair made up of two copies of those genes.

2. Compatible mutants (alleles) were scattered instead of grouped. Lesser platinum (produced by a lesser gene paired with a normal gene) is in the single gene section while blue-eyed leucistic (produced by a lesser gene paired with a mojave gene) is in the double gene section. IMO, the scattering is inconvenient. It can also be confusing because most of the entries in the double gene section are produced by the action of two gene pairs.

3. According to the calculator,
Male: Blue Eye'd Leucistic (L/Mo)
Female: Butter Daddy
Percent Fraction Traits
25% 1/4 Daddy Gene, Mojave
25% 1/4 Blue Eye'd Leucistic (B/Mo)
25% 1/4 Platinum
25% 1/4 Blue Eye'd Leucistic
Several genotypes produce a blue-eyed leucistic phenotype. It would help a newbie if the two genes producing the second blue-eyed leucistic progeny were identified.

By the way, I do not follow the logic for classifying the daddy gene as a dominant mutant.

I really like it and think you have done an excellent job! :gj:

Awesome!! I'm going to have to break out my computer though... It's a little hard on an iPhone haha


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Originally Posted by Scubaf250

Awesome!! I'm going to have to break out my computer though... It's a little hard on an iPhone haha


Send in your two cents!
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Im gunna wait til i get home to do it on my laptop. Im not gettin the full effect on the iphone lol

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Originally Posted by paulh

1. The unproven dominant mutants are present only as mutant/normal gene pairs. There was no way to choose a gene pair made up of two copies of those genes.

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You can still use the original calc to do this. I thought listing homozygous forms of dominant morphs might be confusing for the newcomers, since they don't exist publicly yet. I figured it was best to leave them out. The classic calc does not restrict you at all. You can even do names not in the database.

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Originally Posted by paulh

2. Compatible mutants (alleles) were scattered instead of grouped. Lesser platinum (produced by a lesser gene paired with a normal gene) is in the single gene section while blue-eyed leucistic (produced by a lesser gene paired with a mojave gene) is in the double gene section. IMO, the scattering is inconvenient. It can also be confusing because most of the entries in the double gene section are produced by the action of two gene pairs.

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Single gene lists all the morphs with their heterozygous and homozygous forms (besides dominant). Double gene lists all combos with 2 different genes making them up. triple gene lists combos with 3 different genes making them up and quad+ does everything else. The mojave lesser BEL is in the double gene section because it has two different morphs involved with it. I'm not quite sure how else you would want to see them organized. Lemme know what you had in mind.

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Originally Posted by paulh

3. According to the calculator,
Male: Blue Eye'd Leucistic (L/Mo)
Female: Butter Daddy
Percent Fraction Traits
25% 1/4 Daddy Gene, Mojave
25% 1/4 Blue Eye'd Leucistic (B/Mo)
25% 1/4 Platinum
25% 1/4 Blue Eye'd Leucistic
Several genotypes produce a blue-eyed leucistic phenotype. It would help a newbie if the two genes producing the second blue-eyed leucistic progeny were identified.

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The only BEL that is not identified is the Lesser and Butter BELs. The rest are. I think most people are aware that super lesser or super butters are BEL and I see no reason to differentiate between butters and lessers. So thats what I came up with.

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Originally Posted by paulh

By the way, I do not follow the logic for classifying the daddy gene as a dominant mutant.

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Link I posted in at the top, clutch 76 on RDR's website, he bred a pair of platinums together. which you have 3 possibilities, referring to the calc...


The baby was not a BEL or a platinum, just a baby that looked like a heterozygous daddy gene.

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Originally Posted by Scubaf250

Awesome!! I'm going to have to break out my computer though... It's a little hard on an iPhone haha


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Originally Posted by Mike41793

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Im gunna wait til i get home to do it on my laptop. Im not gettin the full effect on the iphone lol

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yea the only mobile browser I found the list "works" on is opera because opera ignores the height and just lists the entire list, making the page freaking huge.

Classic calc still works as long as your browser supports javascript and click to copy will work as long as it supports flash.

http://img.tapatalk.com/48dcca76-cbb2-7c3a.jpg

It works great in safari on the iPhone, it's just not as easy to click individual genes as it would be with a mouse, probably because my fingers are too big hahaha!

Can't wait till you get all the pictures together for it! =D



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Originally Posted by Scubaf250

It works great in safari on the iPhone, it's just not as easy to click individual genes as it would be with a mouse, probably because my fingers are too big hahaha!

Can't wait till you get all the pictures together for it! =D

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good to know, thanks

Yea there been very little response with the pictures...

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

Single gene lists all the morphs with their heterozygous and homozygous forms (besides dominant). Double gene lists all combos with 2 different genes making them up. triple gene lists combos with 3 different genes making them up and quad+ does everything else. The mojave lesser BEL is in the double gene section because it has two different morphs involved with it. I'm not quite sure how else you would want to see them organized. Lemme know what you had in mind.



The only BEL that is not identified is the Lesser and Butter BELs. The rest are. I think most people are aware that super lesser or super butters are BEL and I see no reason to differentiate between butters and lessers. So thats what I came up with.



Link I posted in at the top, clutch 76 on RDR's website, he bred a pair of platinums together. which you have 3 possibilities, referring to the calc...


The baby was not a BEL or a platinum, just a baby that looked like a heterozygous daddy gene.

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I agree that the single gene list should have all the single locus morphs with their heterozygous and homozygous forms. Double gene list should have all combos with mutant genes at 2 different loci.

By definition, any gene pair with two different genes is a heterozygous gene pair. It is not limited to a gene pair containing a mutant and a normal gene. A butter//daddy gene pair is a heterozygous gene pair.

Here's what I had in mind. Make two lists of all genes at the white snake locus (lesser platinum, mojave, butter, daddy, normal, etc.). First list is for the gene that is first in the gene pair. Second list is for the gene that is second in the gene pair. Match each gene in the first list with every gene in the second list. Delete the homozygous normal gene pair and the duplicates. A butter//daddy gene pair is the same as a daddy//butter gene pair, so one of them is a duplicate and can be deleted. All of those homozygous and heterozygous gene pairs go in the single gene list. As alleles make a natural grouping, all of those gene pairs should be grouped in one spot.

I've not seen a picture of a het daddy or homozygous daddy ball python. I was under the impression that a snake with a daddy gene paired with a normal gene looked normal. If the het daddy python looks like a normal, then I'd call the daddy gene a recessive mutant gene.

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Originally Posted by paulh

I agree that the single gene list should have all the single locus morphs with their heterozygous and homozygous forms. Double gene list should have all combos with mutant genes at 2 different loci.

By definition, any gene pair with two different genes is a heterozygous gene pair. It is not limited to a gene pair containing a mutant and a normal gene. A butter//daddy gene pair is a heterozygous gene pair.

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While your factually correct, it's not how we talk in the snake world though. I don't even think most of this hobby even knows what a locus is. We basically just count the mutant genes. I would see any other way confusing to new comers. If enough people feel differently I could make a change.

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Originally Posted by paulh

Here's what I had in mind. Make two lists of all genes at the white snake locus (lesser platinum, mojave, butter, daddy, normal, etc.). First list is for the gene that is first in the gene pair. Second list is for the gene that is second in the gene pair. Match each gene in the first list with every gene in the second list. Delete the homozygous normal gene pair and the duplicates. A butter//daddy gene pair is the same as a daddy//butter gene pair, so one of them is a duplicate and can be deleted. All of those homozygous and heterozygous gene pairs go in the single gene list. As alleles make a natural grouping, all of those gene pairs should be grouped in one spot.

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I see what your getting at, but I still feel this would be completely confusing to new comers. Maybe I could have an "advanced" option with lists of every way I can think of to organize and group things, but i figured if you're "advanced" your just going to use the classic calc anyways, It's much faster to input most of the time IMO. I might consider it in the future, but don't plan on it any time soon. thx for the input tho.

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Originally Posted by paulh

I've not seen a picture of a het daddy or homozygous daddy ball python. I was under the impression that a snake with a daddy gene paired with a normal gene looked normal. If the het daddy python looks like a normal, then I'd call the daddy gene a recessive mutant gene.

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I actually went back and forth about this with myself about how to classify it. First the heterozygous daddy gene IMO has a look to it, the brighter dorsal stripe and the overall brighter color seems to be consistent. Now many normals may look like this also. So from what I've seen it does have a phenotype change in heterozygous form, just very subtle.

Now lets say the change isn't enough, I really don't think it falls into the recessive category either. Wikipedia says "In genetics, the term "recessive gene" refers to an allele that causes a phenotype (visible or detectable characteristic) that is only seen in a homozygous genotype (an organism that has two copies of the same allele) and never in a heterozygous genotype." Well if we are saying the heterozygous daddy gene doesn't have a phenotype change, nor does the homozygous form. This does not fit the definition of recessive. We have a gene that only expresses itself in the heterozygous form with conditions, I'm not really sure how to classify this.

So with that in mind, I went back to the original classification of dominant.

I want to add, I guess I seem a little disapproving and I don't want to come across that way. I do appreciate your input paul. I just want to make sure at the very least the list view is noob friendly as I can make it without losing too much functionality.

I don't think any of the calculators are particularly friendly to newbies. :) They are pretty confused to start with. Someone who is advanced is going to use the calculator between his ears, anyway.

I know what a Locus is.

Biblical plague.

Or something.

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Originally Posted by Robyn@SYR

I know what a Locus is.

Biblical plague.

Or something.

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lol something like that

Something I've been playing with. What do you guys think? Pos Het output

I'm still calling it experimental, but I'm pretty sure it's calculating correctly. Click it on and it will give you a more real life example of what you can produce. I mean we all know breed a het to a het and you get the following...



but more realistically It's like this, since we cannot tell the difference between the normal and hets.....


What I personally found interesting is what the odds are when looking at double hets



and triple hets.


have a whole new respect for those double recessives and that triple recessive now eh? I sure do.

It also takes into account the albino toffee complex


and homozygous dominant traits.


i still have to incorporate it into the site better, but it should be giving you the right results now. Lemme know what you think.

alright got the click to copy tables working with the updated forum, added some color for the heck of it.

Male:	Spider
Female:	Pastel
Percent	Fraction	Traits
25%	1/4	Bumblebee
25%	1/4	Pastel
25%	1/4	Spider
25%	1/4	Normal
View Results Page

also I believe I got all issues with the possible het output taken care of, feel free to check it out.

Male:	Het Clown, Het Albino
Female:	Het Clown, Het Albino
Percent	Fraction	Traits
6.25%	1/16	Clown, Albino
18.75%	3/16	Albino, 66% Possible Het Clown
18.75%	3/16	Clown, 66% Possible Het Albino
56.25%	9/16	66% Possible Het Clown, 66% Possible Het Albino
View Results Page

awesome man big thanks to you lemme know if you need anymore photos:gj:

hey anything you want to show off, ill put it up. #1 feedback I get by far is "not enough pictures"... well send em in.

Just wanted to say thanks for making this calculator! it really helped (still helping!) me understand genetics more and more! Thanks again! :)

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

hey anything you want to show off, ill put it up. #1 feedback I get by far is "not enough pictures"... well send em in.

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ill take some new pictures sometime this week an sendem your way