little zoo together

i have a 200 gallon tank that i started for miss siss (my 3ft 4in 6yr old ball python). she has always been infront of a window and my husband decided to move her and she got really depressed and i almost lost her. so i got her tank so that it would feel more like outside with plants and a pond in it. in the pond i put a filter and a heater so that she has warm water and it running and fresh.
durring this time i ended up with another problem...... bugs in the tank. nothing major just little nats and flies. so i started asking about things that would eat the bugs.
now i have a pond that has zebra daniels, neon tetras, a blue dotted guamie, rainbow shark and a placostamus (algie eater). i found miss siss one day in the pond and the different fish were "pecking" at her. it was really cool cause it was almost like they were helping her shed.
then i asked about different lizards that would be able to live in there with her and everyone that i talked to said none. then i came across someone that said that green anoles would work in thery since they are quick but as everyone says you shouldnt mix species.
well i got one and it lived the night then another night and another. then i figured that i could have more so i got that anole a friend and then my huband asked about frogs and i found some that would be able to live in the tank.
so in the end i have 3 green anoles and a green treefrog and a chubby frog and miss siss all living in a tank together.
it is really neat to watch miss siss and big fatty (my big male anole). they will sit face to face and watch each other and move around the tank but its not like a stalking type of behaviour. siss will actually move the cricket twards big fatty almost as if to watch him eat. then theres itsy and bitsy the other two anoles that will "take rides" on miss siss and eat bugs that end up on her.
its really neat cause its turning in to its own little ecco system. the cricks and millworms keep the dead plants down and the frogs and anoles love eating the bugs and then there is siss that is finally starting to perk up more and move around more.
would there by other bugs that i would be able to feed my little zoo that would also help with the plants? what plants are safe for all my animals?

I cant tell if this is a joke or not...

Uhm...:weirdface:weirdface:weirdface

Lol what?

You shouldn't be keeping a ball python in that big of a tank. Ball pythons do not get depressed. There should not be fish, bugs, frogs, or lizards in there. You have created a warzone.

I would love to see some photos of this living vivarium...

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i say.... troll.

Photos or it doesn't exist, post a picture of this set up or PM the photo to me and I'll post it.

Let me guess, you've converted Miss Sis to eating peanut butter because she never really liked rodents much anyway, right?

I'm not sure what to make of this.

if this actually works and your snake is healthy that's cool but if your don't have pics it's fake.

Liar liar pants on fire

Someone has a very vivid imagination.

Gale

But it sounds like such a natural set up for an animal native to the west African grass lands...:rolleyes:

I thought April Fools was last weekend.

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But it sounds like such a natural set up for an animal native to the west African grass lands...:rolleyes:

I thought April Fools was last weekend.

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Yeah, really!!! WTH????

I bet there's a unicorn in there too :) pics!

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Photos or it doesn't exist, post a picture of this set up or PM the photo to me and I'll post it.

Let me guess, you've converted Miss Sis to eating peanut butter because she never really liked rodents much anyway, right?

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im not sure how to do pics. i put everything on facebook. its under kendra bayless. there is videos on there

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im not sure how to do pics. i put everything on facebook. its under kendra bayless. there is videos on there

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PM me and I'll give you my email address. I'll post it.

for all those of you who dont think that it is true i have video of my tank on facebook. its under kendra bayless. and yes it is all true.i really have everyone living together. and no i dont have miss siss eating peanut butter. only rats. she wont even eat a mouse.
i will keep everyone posted on how everyone does.

Checked out your fb page.

Ok, I retract my troll comment and I appologize for it.

However, that is the single most unhealthy environment I've ever seen a ball python kept in, and I've seen some real train wrecks.

That is so high up on the "You gotta' be crappin' me" scale, that I really don't know what to say other than good luck with that.

BTW, Welcome to BP.net!

I ain't touchin' this one folks...

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I cant tell if this is a joke or not...

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honest it is real.

Unfortunately looks like they may not be trolling
Got that from the facebook

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...07487389_n.jpg

Your video won't load for me on facebook. :(

I'm sorry I just don't see how anyone can even imagine this, they all have different temperature requirements and the python regius is from the african grasslands, not from the south american jungle as this seems... im sorry i still sense a troll.

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I'm sorry I just don't see how anyone can even imagine this, they all have different temperature requirements and the python regius is from the african grasslands, not from the south american jungle as this seems... im sorry i still sense a troll.

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She's not a troll. The video and pics are on her FB page...

Uhh, what? Why on earth would you do that???

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im not sure how to do pics. i put everything on facebook. its under kendra bayless. there is videos on there

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video not working but pics are being posted

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video not working but pics are being posted

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Sorry for all the people who are making fun of you here.

BP's are solitary creatures from the African savannah. They have very specific care requirements for best health and comfort. Your current setup could lead to long term problems. Look at the care sheets here and elsewhere for best practices if you want your bp to be happy and healthy. Cool setup, but inappropriate for that particular animal. Good luck!!

Wow can't believe that it turned our to be true, sorry for our quick reaction thinking you were trolling, but it seemed a little out there. Anyway, it's not the ideal set up at all for a BP. Like people said above check out this site and others for care sheets so you can give your animal a long and happy life.
Welcome! Way to make a splash on your first post!

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Sorry for all the people who are making fun of you here.

BP's are solitary creatures from the African savannah. They have very specific care requirements for best health and comfort. Your current setup could lead to long term problems. Look at the care sheets here and elsewhere for best practices if you want your bp to be happy and healthy. Cool setup, but inappropriate for that particular animal. Good luck!!

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No need for name calling...

Ohhhh...riiight?
Uhm.

Yeah okay.
Pretty sure that's...not...right.

Meh, nothing more to say. I guess you'll probably see for yourself.

Good luck with that one.

so in my tank i do have everything from kindof dry where miss siss likes to be during the day (85- 95 f and humidity at 40%), and thats when the lizards and bugs move around more. then there is the chubby frog who likes it more in the middle (75- 80 f and humidity of 50%- 70%) then at the other side of the tank you have where the green tree frog likes to stay most his time (65-80 f and 70%-100% humidity)
so yes i have everything that they all need and i take miss siss to the vet and he even said that she is a healthy and uncomenly friendly snake. i will keep taking her to the vet and keep everyone posted on how everyone is doing. thank you all for your "advice". i will also keep puting pics on facebook.

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so in my tank i do have everything from kindof dry where miss siss likes to be during the day (85- 95 f and humidity at 40%)

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Ok, I said I was gonna' stay out of this one...Sue me, I lied.

Kendra, Your set up is just not what your BP needs. I understand your Vet may think your snake is healthy, but most Vets wouldn't know a healthy BP from a sick donkey. If your Vet knows what kind of set up you have, and he's fine with it, you need to find a new Vet. Seriously.

Your BP needs a little more than "kind of dry". From the pictures I saw on facebook, I can't believe she hasn't gotten scale rot yet. The vast majority of your tank is far too wet for a BP. You do understand that they come from the grass lands of western Africa, right? And, you do understand that your green tree frogs come from the rain forest, right? There is no way those two environments can coexist in the same tank. Let me say that again, there is no way that will work long term.

You seem like you want to be a responsible ball python keeper. If that is the case, I implore you to set your snake up in a proper enclosure where you can meet all her needs, and not compromise her safety by keeping her in the middle of that thing you call a zoo. BTW, they wouldn't do what you are doing at a zoo. That should tell you something.

I'm not even gonna look at your facebook page. :please: do the right thing for your bp if it is as bad as they say it is.

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Your BP needs a little more than "kind of dry". From the pictures I saw on facebook, I can't believe she hasn't gotten scale rot yet. The vast majority of your tank is far too wet for a BP. You do understand that they come from the grass lands of western Africa, right?

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Apparently not. And Slim is right about the zoo as well. If you went to a Zoo and found they were keeping Giraffes, Penguins and Lions together would you not think "Errrm, surely not?"...?

Good luck with the shedding too :yes:

It seems like a good Idea if you picture it but when you actually take a look at all the enclosure requirements for each individual you will see your problem. Do the right thing before something gets sicks. I also second what slim said about your vet only an idiot would think thats ok.

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Good luck with the shedding too :yes:

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I understand that this is pretty surprising to posters, but I don't see the need for so much sarcasm.

To the OP - Please take a look at the caresheet on this site for your BP: http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...ius)-Caresheet . In addition, I'm concerned about the accuracy of your hygrometers and thermometers as well, since they are telling you that you have that dramatic of a humidity range in the same enclosure (even though it sounds enormous). If they are the dial kind, rather than digital, then they are most likely giving you very incorrect readings. I can't give specific advice on the setup, because I can't see pictures (my computer firewall), but my guess is that the substrate is a lot wetter than you may think, and air humidity isn't supposed to be the same as wet substrate (hence the earlier comments about scale rot). If you do nothing else, recheck your instruments, dry your substrate some, and stop putting live crickets in your vivarium, since they can actually attack and eat your BP's eyes if they get a mind to (dramatic, I know, but they are nasty little creatures).

Welcome to BP.net, and please take the advice offered, understanding that people don't always pay attention to their tone when posting a reaction on a forum.

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I understand that this is pretty surprising to posters, but I don't see the need for so much sarcasm.

Welcome to BP.net, and please take the advice offered, understanding that people don't always pay attention to their tone when posting a reaction on a forum.

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Duly noted. I'll tone it down.

The OP also put "advice", so I got a little irked I guess because it really doesn't seem like she thinks of anything anybody said as advice.

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The OP also put "advice", so I got a little irked I guess because it really doesn't seem like she thinks of anything anybody said as advice.

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I noticed that as well...

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The OP also put "advice", so I got a little irked I guess because it really doesn't seem like she thinks of anything anybody said as advice.

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:) I've certainly been pretty, er, direct, myself at times. I understand the annoyance at the quotation marks.

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I just didn't understand the need for them really :/

The advice you posted is really good. Just seems to me (perhaps I'm just reading it all wrong) that people have been posting and advising her that the set up she has is less than ideal for her BP, but she really isn't interested in anything but showing and telling people about this "zoo". Tell me if I'm wrong :(

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I just didn't understand the need for them really :/

The advice you posted is really good. Just seems to me (perhaps I'm just reading it all wrong) that people have been posting and advising her that the set up she has is less than ideal for her BP, but she really isn't interested in anything but showing and telling people about this "zoo". Tell me if I'm wrong :(

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No i agree with you

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but she really isn't interested in anything but showing and telling people about this "zoo".

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Honestly, I don't think she's logged on since her "advice" post.

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Honestly, I don't think she's logged on since her "advice" post.

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Mmm. I hope she took something constructive away from somebodys post at least.

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The advice you posted is really good. Just seems to me (perhaps I'm just reading it all wrong) that people have been posting and advising her that the set up she has is less than ideal for her BP, but she really isn't interested in anything but showing and telling people about this "zoo". Tell me if I'm wrong :(

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Thank you for the compliment. :) My interpretation of the thread was just that the OP came in very excited about something that seemed to be a great idea. The very quick multitude of responses were pretty much NOOOO!!! (from a LOT of people), which she initially responded to by undefensively giving the Facebook page info, so people redirected to give advice. At this point, though, I think she may have been on edge from that first onslaught and not as open to advice, which in turn came out as sarcasm, ad nauseam, ad nauseum. That's the only reason I felt the need to jump in, because I don't think anyone had any intention of being snotty, it just took a bad turn.

As I said before, hopefully the OP will consider the advice given by everyone and we can all sing "Kumbaya" into the sunset. :D

To Slim's last post - Looking at when this thread started, I think I have a different sleep schedule from the OP. :)

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You have created a warzone.

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so lets start by asking questions on ball pythons.
[B]1. WHY CANT MY BALLPYTHON HAVE ALOT OF ROOM?
all i was really wanting to do was to make her home more "wild" like. i originally had two. mac was my male and he got out four years ago. siss was always a picky snake. i almost lost her a few times. once was cause i was feeding mice and she wouldnt eat for three monthes. then i talked to the guy that picked my male out for me. he had me take her in there and took her to the back of the store. he tried to give her a mouse and she wouldnt eat so he tried a rat and he barely was able to release it. so i now will only feed rats. then mac dissapeared. and once again siss quit eating. my mom gave me a spider plant and everyone that i talked to said that no it wouldnt hurt her. so i planted it in her tank.
[B]2. WHY WOULD MY BALL PYTHON WANT TO "SOAK" ALL THE TIME?
i wanted the pond so that when she decided to "soke" herself it would be a constant 75 and a filter so that it doesnt get stagnent.



and my vet knows that i have a pond with heated filtered water and a few plants and non-treated soil so that it wouldnt hurt her. i have tried all the other substrate that were said for ball pythons. i ended up with problems from my snakes getting mites, having my snakes trying to eat the different beddings. the vet said that top soil is fine for her and the plants are not harmful to her and actually are good cause they promote oxagyn. he said that the fish are ok but they would probably end up food for the snake.
he said just dont go overboad. witch the fish are done. its fun watching the few that are in there. also for sure one of the anoles have to come out since one of my "females" ended up being a male. the treefrog likes to stay over by the water and eats the nats and flys that end up in the tank. and chubby i just hear.
im not saying that i am not taking your advice. i am taking advice on helping everyone live together. i wash the inside of the tank glass every other day so noone is drinking nasty water off the glass. i am going to get new thermomiter and the humidity.
i was not trying to be mean but all that i was getting was that i needed to take the snake out, but it was originally hers so it upset me and also for the fact that it says that its too big, and that was the "advice" that i was talking about and then it was just sarcasm. well im sorry that i have a verry big imagination and just want to make the animals feel at home.
so i also looked at the care sheets and the only one that was out of the temp is the chubby frog. but again thank you. and yes i truly do mean it.

She can have room but ball pythons are not from a tropical environment and should therefore never be in the same habitat as geckos and frogs.

Fact is, your snake is in an incorrect environment and I would not be surprised if she develops an RI or scale rot because of the improper conditions she's being kept in.

If your snake is getting mites, keep on newspaper or paper towels and treat the mites with Provent-A-Mite. The reason she's soaking is because she has mites and your setup isn't doing anything for that. It's also probably part of the reason she went off-feed.

Also you need a new vet. The one you have is completely inept in that he's only encouraging you to do what you're doing and harm all your pets.

It's housing animals together that just aren't supposed to be housed together. How can a BP feel at home in an environment nothing like its home? It's very well and good having a big imagination, so do I, so do a lot of people on the forums. But surely expressing your imagination in this way is going to cause your BP a world of problems, and would be better put to use on an enclosure with the correct conditions?

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so lets start by asking questions on ball pythons.
[B]1. WHY CANT MY BALLPYTHON HAVE ALOT OF ROOM?
all i was really wanting to do was to make her home more "wild" like.

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More "wild" like BUT wrong location. You have a ton of knowledge here trying to help you and you are not open to any of it. I am not saying there is only one way to keep balls BUT yours had all kinds of red flags that are just waiting for problems.

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i almost lost her a few times. once was cause i was feeding mice and she wouldnt eat for three months. then i talked to the guy that picked my male out for me. he had me take her in there and took her to the back of the store. he tried to give her a mouse and she wouldnt eat so he tried a rat and he barely was able to release it.

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Not eating for 3 months is nothing! I have a male that hasent eaten in 8 months and lost almost 200 grams, he is sooooo looking for love;)
Now what were the "other" times?

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[B]2. WHY WOULD MY BALL PYTHON WANT TO "SOAK" ALL THE TIME?

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That should tell you something there. Anyway you look at it, probably some skin problem.

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he said that the fish are ok but they would probably end up food for the snake.

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Find a new vet!!!!

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so i also looked at the care sheets and the only one that was out of the temp is the chubby frog. but again thank you. and yes i truly do mean it.

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Okay, Chubby and Tree frogs have almost the same requirement and having 18 of our own frogs, we dont even keep them all together. Matter fact none are mixed, and only live with their kind.
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h1...-43-56_867.jpg

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Just thought I would post the snake room too.