Why is everything about race?

So I'm on YouTube checking out the trending videos. And I came along the new one of a girl attacking another girl in a soccer game. They happened to be two different races, but what gets me is all the comments. I mean people are just saying the most insane racial stuff back and forth to each other. It's 2012 can we not get over all this!? What I took away from the video was the difference in male vs female sports. The girls team mates didn't even help her. If this was a boys game it would have turned into a bench clearing brawl. But again people just jump at the chance to make it a race thing. Honestly I don't get how people come up with the time and energy to be so angry towards someone because of the color of their skin. Maybe I'm the minority in this situation by the comments I read on you tube I sure feel like it. I honestly believe that everyone should do a little time in the military. That's a sure cure for racism. Trust me when bullets start flying I can promise you one thing the color of the man fighting next to you won't matter.

Have you heard about the Treyvon Martin Killing in FL?

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

Have you heard about the Treyvon Martin Killing in FL?

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Yup, I'm waiting for all the facts to come out before I make and judgments. I have gone back and forth on it. But again the media is feeding racism. By saying Zimmerman is white when he is Hispanic. Just to make it a white vs black thing when it's unnecessary. It's a murder case race doesn't always have to be the biggest factor.

Ok so we don't have all the facts first off this guy was no pillar of the community he has a criminal record. Does he deserve to be shot. No. But if what I hear is true and this kid attacked him and was trying to get his gun he got what he deserved. Everybody in America has the luxury of sitting in there safe and comfortable living room and holler about race or the fact he was not armed. That is such a crock a unarmed man can become armed in a matter of seconds. I have a little experience being alone in a dark and scary place and being confronted by some not so nice people and unless you have been in that kind of situation you can't really understand. I find it hard to believe this guy used deadly force because he was wearing a hood. In the end I am sure this was a righteous shoot because in the end if someone tries to disarm you its gonna be you or him going home at the end of the day. You better be ready to make that call.

Ill bet if it was a white kid shot by a black guy al sharpton wouldnt be saying a word and it would have never been on the front page. What would happen if the kkk was protesting it? Yet the black panthers are waging race wars over the trayvon case. It is rediculous that race even even an issue. The saddest part is that there is no way a fair trial will take place and someones kid is still dead. Hes going to his grave as a victim of racial violence when thats not the case at all. This case is sad on so many levels. I got one even better. A white couple i their late 70s were attacked when a black young man broke in their house. After beating the husband unconsious he sexually assaulted the wife and beat her. She died. The husband is in critical condition. Now they were married 65 years. The husband was a decorated war veteran and both were church going good all around folks in the community. Didbya hear about this? It just happened a couple weeks ago. Of course you didnt hear about it. Its cause the media didnt want you to. Do you see white groups rallying and protesting? Nope. Is al sharpton stepping up to apoligizebto the community for what happened? Nope. So sad

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Originally Posted by Rob

What I took away from the video was the difference in male vs female sports.

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So you'd rather make it a sex thing rather than a race thing??? :gj:

Come on man...

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Originally Posted by Rob

It's 2012 can we not get over all this!?

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Originally Posted by RobNJ

So you'd rather make it a sex thing rather than a race thing??? :gj:

Come on man...

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Lol yes! That's what took away from it. I think the conversation and debates over Differences in male and female sports. Would be conducted in a civilized manner rather then having people just calling each other every racial slur they can think of.
And not to mention it would be a lot more light hearted then a race war on you tube.

If they stop playing the race card, they won't be given special treatment anymore, and they can't have that. I mean, it'd suck for all for us to be treated equally! I've seen people twist some of the most harmless stuff into something that's supposedly racist.

"Special Interest Groups" are fancy names for people with special agendas. Part of those agendas is making money so the group can grow and the leaders can get rich. That's where Jesse Jackson and Sharpton are at and why they are so quick to stir the pot.

Kid on kid issues is a 50/50 society/crappy parenting issue. Parents in modern society are so worried about how society views them that they are quick to throw anyone under the bus to save face. example: talk to a school teacher about the numebr fo confrontation parents charge into their schools demanding their children are innocent or not recieving their just dues. On the other hand, society is quick to name a parent as bad because fo their circumstances.

The Martin case. From what I have seen, a man followed a kid through his neighborhood while acting as a neighborhood watch captain (that's what they do). The man called 911 for assistance (that's what neighborhood watch captain's do). Reports from Zimmerman's father states George has cuts on his head and a broken nose resulting from an attack by Martin. There has been zero reports that Zimmerman ever physically touched Martin to cause Martin to act in a manner known by any court as self defense. Police have investigated and took Zimmerman into custody. Zimmerman was released. Now if anyone has information that contradicts any of this, please pm it to me.

If a person knocked me down, punched me in the face and I was armed. By the Pennsylvania Castle Doctrine, I could use lethal force to defend myself from bodily harm(because I can not retreat). Obviously, if I am knocked on the ground, I can not retreat. If someone beats me on the face (especially to the point of drawing blood and a broken nose), I have every right to think my life could be in danger. Unless someone proves this was not the case, I fully support Zimmerman's actions and would have done the same in his position.

Suzuki, you're forgetting the part where the 911 operator told Zimmerman to break off the pursuit and he kept following Martin anyway. On the surface, at least, that sounds like he sought out the conflict that led to the shooting. Of course, none of us know all the facts, so we really should reserve judgment and let the legal system do its job. I agree that it's sad that the media feels the need to choose sides and spin things, rather than simply reporting the facts. If Zimmerman is telling the truth, then yes, it was a "good" shoot, but it also may be that Martin was guilty of walking while being black/wearing a hoodie. Hopefully the truth can be found in the end.

i don't know how much it applies, or even how true it is. i'm not a 911 operator, nor do i know anyone who is...

that said, i have heard that it is standard procedure to direct the caller to avoid ANY kind of confrontation if at all possible, no matter the circumstances, to avoid any liability.

i don't think the operator was wrong in tell him to not pursue, or engage young martin. zimmerman had a responsibility to his community (or felt he did) to investigate the situation. what happened after that is unclear.

racism is alive and well in the US, but it's not what some people make it out to be. from what i've seen, there is a lot more black on white racism than the opposite. got several racist black families that live on my street.

there are enough problems in this country, the media should not be trying to start a race war. in my opinion, that is all that they are doing (not that they can really do anything else effectively).

i dunno, that's the best my overworked, sleep deprived brain could come up with for a response. hopefully it made sense. doubtful, but i can hope.

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Originally Posted by olstyn

Suzuki, you're forgetting the part where the 911 operator told Zimmerman to break off the pursuit and he kept following Martin anyway. On the surface, at least, that sounds like he sought out the conflict that led to the shooting. Of course, none of us know all the facts, so we really should reserve judgment and let the legal system do its job. I agree that it's sad that the media feels the need to choose sides and spin things, rather than simply reporting the facts. If Zimmerman is telling the truth, then yes, it was a "good" shoot, but it also may be that Martin was guilty of walking while being black/wearing a hoodie. Hopefully the truth can be found in the end.

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olstyn: A 911 operator is a telephone operator. They have no authority nor liability with the information they provide. It is irrelevant if he followed the boy/man and even taunted him. Under the law, there is no excuse for violence. Under the law, Zimmerman had every right to defend himself against violence that he felt put his life in danger with lethal force. so far the legal system has done its job and Zimmerman has not been charged.

The Ted Nugent interview on Piers Morgan was great. Over 9,000 people were killed in 2011 by guns. Over 3,000 of them were Black/African American. Why is the "Black" community only concerned about this one case? My answer is: They want publicity and they want Obama to side with them in this election year and make a precedence.

I think its terrible that ANYONE is ever killed. However, I commend those who stand up for their rights and protect themselves. If Trayvon was only 70 feet/yards from his destination, maybe he should have ran home and called the cops if he felt his life was threatened or he was being harrassed. My bet is there was a confrontation and in the end there is always a loser.

I dont know about you guys but if some guy is following me home, I would confront him about it and if I thought I could, I might beat him up because I would feel that my safety had been threatened.

While 911 dispatchers are "just phone operators" he was still told to stand down and continued the pursuit anyway.

I don't think we will ever know the real truth and I think that no one in this situation gets a fair shake. the media it's a hateful, skewed group and we will never hear a whole and unbiased account of what happened.

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Originally Posted by jbean7916

I dont know about you guys but if some guy is following me home, I would confront him about it and if I thought I could, I might beat him up because I would feel that my safety had been threatened.

While 911 dispatchers are "just phone operators" he was still told to stand down and continued the pursuit anyway.

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Oh well, some operator told him to do something and he didn't. Sprint operator told me to upgrade and I refused...off to jail I shall go!!!! No difference under the law.

You plan to attack a man as a defensive tactic? WOW, JUST WOW!!!!:colbert::colbert:

The Point is why are we all talking a about it? Things like this happen every single day and it is not national news. The media portrayed treyvon as a little harmless kid, and Zimmerman like a white racist. When both couldn't be farther from the truth. Again it all boils down to everyone trying to make things racial when they aren't.

Well, the real problem, as has been stated numerous times before, is that there is spin coming from every possible angle on the Martin/Zimmerman case, which makes it very difficult to know what the real facts are. While I disagree with this statement, suzuki, it's about the only place where we differ:

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It is irrelevant if he followed the boy/man and even taunted him.

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Granted, the 911 operator's instructions are not legally binding, but IMO they were good advice, and I think that by following Martin, it's easily possible that he made Martin fear for his life. If you're walking alone after dark and a vehicle follows you, stops, and the driver gets out and pursues you on foot, you would most likely feel threatened (I know I would). It may be that Martin felt that running away wasn't an option anymore, and if you can't run, you have to fight.

While I own a gun and will likely have my permit to carry soon, and I support the everyone's right to defend themselves in the face of danger, I do have a problem with chasing someone down and starting a confrontation (if, of course, that's what happened - we just don't know). I think that as someone who has chosen to carry a weapon, you have a higher responsibility than "normal" people to avoid conflict, simply because deadly force, by definition, is a last resort, and you don't want to create situations where employing it may be necessary if it's at all possible to avoid them.

Now, if Martin had approached Zimmerman's vehicle, tried to pull him out of it, and gotten shot for his trouble, it'd have been an 8th page story and never have become national news, and rightly so. However, it's not 100% clear whether the shooting was righteous or criminal, at least as far as the information filtered through the media indicates. Hopefully the police will do their jobs thoroughly and well, and will either exonerate or indict Zimmerman as appropriate.

As I said in my earlier post in this thread, we all need to withhold judgment until after the investigation (and trial, if there is one) is complete. I personally am not on either side here; I just think that some of Zimmerman's actions were ill-advised (as were some of Martin's), and it's a shame that what seems to have been a misunderstanding had to lead to a death.

A misunderstanding does not result in a broken nose or cuts on a guy's head. An attack explains it well though.

If Martin has signs that he was shot in the back or pistol whipped, then I would side the Zimmerman stepped out of line. Too many neighbors praised Zimmerman and his neighborhood watch abilities to have him lash out on one teen without reason. A guy with a gun who has shown the willingness to use it, would have used it rather than start a fight. I can play the scenario out in my head and it sounds similar to what the Zimmerman family describes.

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Originally Posted by suzuki4life

olstyn: A 911 operator is a telephone operator. They have no authority nor liability with the information they provide. It is irrelevant if he followed the boy/man and even taunted him. Under the law, there is no excuse for violence. Under the law, Zimmerman had every right to defend himself against violence that he felt put his life in danger with lethal force. so far the legal system has done its job and Zimmerman has not been charged.

The Ted Nugent interview on Piers Morgan was great. Over 9,000 people were killed in 2011 by guns. Over 3,000 of them were Black/African American. Why is the "Black" community only concerned about this one case? My answer is: They want publicity and they want Obama to side with them in this election year and make a precedence.

I think its terrible that ANYONE is ever killed. However, I commend those who stand up for their rights and protect themselves. If Trayvon was only 70 feet/yards from his destination, maybe he should have ran home and called the cops if he felt his life was threatened or he was being harrassed. My bet is there was a confrontation and in the end there is always a loser.

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This is not true. I am a 911 dispatcher, and I can tell you right now I can most certainly be taken to court and charged if I give out improper information. I even have to give CPR instructions, literally, word-for-word by a card given to use and approved by a state doctor, along with other EMD protocol and police protocol in some instances. If not read, word-for-word, we can be sued, along with the town, and in some cases charged. We are liable for every word we say. I can tell you right now, if some numskull called me and told me there was a kid with a gun near him, or whatever the circumstances are, I'd would tell him DO NOT APPROACH HIM, get to a safe distance, and await the PROPER authority. Obviously, the person has the choice to listen or not. The first thing we do during a domestic dispute is to tell the caller to literally remove themselves as far away from the other person as possible, even if they need to wait down the street. Safety is our first priority, for all parties involved including my responders. Not sure where you got your info, but we are most certainly liable, why do you think ALL 911 calls are recorded??

P.S. I guarantee if you ever need to call 911 for a real emergency, you'll think of me as more than a freakin' telephone operator. ;)

Someone call me a telephone operator one more time...

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Originally Posted by jbean7916

I dont know about you guys but if some guy is following me home, I would confront him about it and if I thought I could, I might beat him up because I would feel that my safety had been threatened.

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Sounds like the makings of an episode of "When Keeping It Real Goes Wrong"...good luck with all that...

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Originally Posted by jbean7916

While 911 dispatchers are "just phone operators" he was still told to stand down and continued the pursuit anyway.

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If I told you to stop coming to this forum, would you?

Here are our police general orders. If not followed for specific circumstances we risk being held liable, personally and the town.
http://i44.tinypic.com/2rvyb07.jpg

And of course, our medical bible. These, if not read word-for-word, literally, we are also held liable.
http://i42.tinypic.com/2e4eyx3.jpg

I understand what you guys are saying that "just because the 'telephone operator' told him not to approach him doesn't mean he shouldn't have", not only are we required to say things such as that, but there is a method to the madness believe it or not. Had he listened to the dispatcher, he would not be on national news right now and being charged with murder. Could the kid have actually had a gun? Sure, happens all the time, but guess what? The dudes in blue I work with are highly trained, armed, and prepared to deal with such circumstances, not a fat community watch handcranker. :rolleyes: I know adrenaline is a funny thing, I deal with it all the time, and half the time people don't listen anyways, but after the countless legal classes I've taken for my job, we say these things for a reason. If half the people I talked to on a regular basis just breathed, and listened, it would make their lives much easier.

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Originally Posted by LGray23

I understand what you guys are saying that "just because the 'telephone operator' told him not to approach him doesn't mean he shouldn't have", not only are we required to say things such as that, but there is a method to the madness believe it or not. Had he listened to the dispatcher, he would not be on national news right now and being charged with murder. Could the kid have actually had a gun? Sure, happens all the time, but guess what? The dudes in blue I work with are highly trained, armed, and prepared to deal with such circumstances, not a fat community watch handcranker. :rolleyes: I know adrenaline is a funny thing, I deal with it all the time, and half the time people don't listen anyways, but after the countless legal classes I've taken for my job, we say these things for a reason. If half the people I talked to on a regular basis just breathed, and listened, it would make their lives much easier.

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I think the point some are trying to make is that it wasn't a lawful order. He absolutely should have listened to the Dispatcher (who is NOT "Just a phone operator" :rage:)...like you said above...all this could have been avoided for all the reasons you stated. He wasn't trained, experienced, nor mentally prepared for the consequences. But, following him wasn't against the law. Stupid, but not against the law.

Thank you for doing a job that not many are willing or able to do.

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Originally Posted by sho220

I think the point some are trying to make is that it wasn't a lawful order. He absolutely should have listened to the Dispatcher (who is NOT "Just a phone operator" :rage:)...like you said above...all this could have been avoided for all the reasons you stated. He wasn't trained, experienced, nor mentally prepared for the consequences. But, following him wasn't against the law. Stupid, but not against the law.

Thank you for doing a job that not many are willing or able to do.

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Sadly, being stupid isn't illegal yet :rolleyes: But I guess it's job security for me lol.

I have to dig a bit.. but about a year ago a black kid in IL got shot by a white cop and the white cop was fired.. I'm sorry, but if ANYONE pulls a weapon on me and tries to kill me I'm not going to let them.. I'm in NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM A RACIST.. I get called it a lot though, but if you've read some of my post you'll understand, j mean I get a measily 900 a month IF I AM LUCKY. And I can't get food stamps.. now my boss gets 1,700 in foodstanps and She works 38.5 hours a week at 10.50 a hour.. yeah...

I will post up some more.info later. I really hope this thread can yield a good dense and some good facts without snowballing...

Like I said, not a racist. :) I just call BS well, when I see BS. Regardless of race or sex.

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Originally Posted by sho220

Sounds like the makings of an episode of "When Keeping It Real Goes Wrong"...good luck with all that...

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Have you ever been followed home by a car? Have you ever had a driver of a vehicle park their car and follow you on foot without identifying themselves? Because I guarantee no matter how tough you are it's an unnerving situation.

We do not *know* zimmermann was "attacked". All we know is there was some altercation when he was injured and treyvon was shot. Did zimmermann confront him and instigate a fight? You weren't there, you dont know.

As for all the neighbors saying such great things about the guy, Ted Bundy had a ton of friends too.... You never really know what people are capable of.

The fact is this will never be fully explained to anyone's satisfaction because the media had put their spin on it and people have already chosen sides without all the facts.


Oh and no, I wouldnt leave this forum if you told me to. You aren't anyone even a "phone operator".

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A 911 operator can not be charged for reading a card incorrectly.

You could be charged for telling a drunk to jump off a bridge? MAYBE....MAYBE.

Now would you lose your job? perhaps. You are reading from scripted directions. Your training consists of hearing the situation and choosing the correct information to read back to the caller. Most of this is contained on a multiple choice based computer screen on PA's dispatch system. My neighbor is a dispatcher BTW.

Yep, your direction will always be to flee and let the criminal run. Even rape victims are instructed to be submissive to avoid escalating the situation.

If I lose everything, I am giving up everything i have earned. For many people, that is what makes life worth living. If i give up my health to a would be attacker, I am possibly destroying my chance at making a living/life for myself. To many people these risks are worth dying to protect from happening. So yes, it is super easy for a phone operator to tell me to run away from everything that means something to me while they lose NOTHING.

My neighborhood watches itself. I am nestled among a dispatcher, a firefighter and 2 cops. If I see a stranger in my neighborhood, they are fully aware that I am watching them. If a stranger enters one of the few elderly women's homes on my street, within minutes I guarantee a neighbor will also be over to visit and ensure they are ok. That is the reason these women brag to their friends about why they love to live where they do. I will continue to take care of my own regardless of what a phone operator tells me to do.

Sincerely,

An armed and proud American citizen.

Jbean: Zimmerman maintains "burden of proof" and plenty of evidence physically to support his claims. If the media dropped their unsupported accusations, this would been history long ago.

And if you were a stranger in my neighborhood. I would know where you went/ belonged even if that required you to "take action". Remember, Martin was a stranger in Zimmerman's neighborhood. The average person would feel humbled in strange environment.

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Have you ever been followed home by a car? Have you ever had a driver of a vehicle park their car and follow you on foot without identifying themselves? Because I guarantee no matter how tough you are it's an unnerving situation.

We do not *know* zimmermann was "attacked". All we know is there was some altercation when he was injured and treyvon was shot. Did zimmermann confront him and instigate a fight? You weren't there, you dont know.

As for all the neighbors saying such great things about the guy, Ted Bundy had a ton of friends too.... You never really know what people are capable of.

The fact is this will never be fully explained to anyone's satisfaction because the media had put their spin on it and people have already chosen sides without all the facts.


Oh and no, I wouldnt leave this forum if you told me to. You aren't anyone even a "phone operator".

sent from my EVO

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I thought about explaining how it would be better to remove yourself from the threatening situation, like Martin should have done, and would be alive today if he had, since you have no idea whether that person is armed or what their intentions are, but you're clearly too stupid to help.

And since you have such disdain for Dispatchers (or phone operators as you like to call them) what is your great contribution to society?

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Originally Posted by zeion97

I have to dig a bit.. but about a year ago a black kid in IL got shot by a white cop and the white cop was fired..

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We'd need a LOT more details in order to make a judgment call on that one... but I imagine a thorough investigation was conducted, and they fired him for more than "white on black" crime.

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I'm in NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM A RACIST.. I get called it a lot though

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That's weird... I'm a fairly no-nonsense kind of person, and rarely care about being PC, yet I've never ever been called a racist. Wonder why?? Perhaps you need to re-examine your way of thinking, or at least how you word things, if this is something of which you're frequently accused. I mean, could that many people be that far off base? :cool:

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but if you've read some of my post you'll understand, j mean I get a measily 900 a month IF I AM LUCKY. And I can't get food stamps.. now my boss gets 1,700 in foodstanps and She works 38.5 hours a week at 10.50 a hour.. yeah...

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I haven't read your other posts on this, but does that co-worker have children perchance? Even when I was making less than you I didn't qualify for food stamps, since I am single with no children... so that could be your very simple explanation for this "injustice." I HIGHLY doubt anyone is getting food stamps or welfare simply for being black, if that's what you are suggesting.

If you do a little research on food stamp benefits, one would need to have like 12+ children in order to receive $1700/mo... to give you an idea, Octomom recently qualified for just a little more than that, and she has a total of 14 kids! These are federal standards, btw, so your co-worker is either lying, cheating, or has a brood the size of Octomom. Read this: http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=1269

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Originally Posted by olstyn

Suzuki, you're forgetting the part where the 911 operator told Zimmerman to break off the pursuit and he kept following Martin anyway. On the surface, at least, that sounds like he sought out the conflict that led to the shooting. Of course, none of us know all the facts, so we really should reserve judgment and let the legal system do its job. I agree that it's sad that the media feels the need to choose sides and spin things, rather than simply reporting the facts. If Zimmerman is telling the truth, then yes, it was a "good" shoot, but it also may be that Martin was guilty of walking while being black/wearing a hoodie. Hopefully the truth can be found in the end.

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That's what the mainstream media is reporting. And they are just as culpable in this race baiting. Zimmerman didn't continue pursuit. The dispatcher asked for an address, and since he was on the back side of the buildings where there were no street numbers and he continued to the front of the buildings to get an address, where it's purported that Martin approached him and asked him if he had a problem, and then told him he had one now.

An independent witness confirmed on the night of the shooting that Martin was on top of Zimmerman beating him, corrobarting his version of the events.

Zimmerman was an active member of his community and was a tutorial and mentor to minority youth in his community.

I don't believe for one second that this tragedy was racially motivated. But Sharpton and Jackson saw it as an opportunity to remain relevant.

Why aren't they speaking out about and holding rallies in Chicago where on any given weekend, dozens of young black youth are murdered within their own communities?

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Originally Posted by rabernet

Why aren't they speaking out about and holding rallies in Chicago where on any given weekend, dozens of young black youth are murdered within their own communities?

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Ahhh...Chicago...where it's newsworthy when ONLY 5 people are shot and killed over a weekend. I wonder if Sharpton and Jackson are going to speak out about this http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2012/0...ght-on-camera/

Somehow I doubt it...

Everybody should watch the movie Thrive

I don't think anyone besides George Zimmerman and Trayvon know the full details of what really happened, and one of them can't talk so I doubt we will ever know the unfiltered truth. It's too difficult to say, maybe Trayvon attacked Zimmerman because he saw an angry man pointing a gun at him, what was Trayvon to think? But at the same time I don't think it's fair that the mainstream media was using a picture of trayvon from the 7th grade to represent him. The media was purposely trying to throw gasoline on the fire.. and then today we hear how a producer at NBC edited the 911 call to make it sound like Zimmerman was racial profiling, the 911 operator asked what race Trayvon was, but they edited out the question and made it seem like Zimmerman was after a black man because he was black.

The media, being the mouthpiece of our corporate controlled government tries very hard to create racial tension, divide and conquer the public.. a content and peaceful society is able to turn its full united attention towards a horribly corrupt corporatist government and military industrial complex to see it for what it really is.. but the corporations that control our senators and representatives in congress cannot allow that, so they use the corporate media to keep us squabbling amongst ourselves.

I mean if people stopped seeing all these things that divide us as americans then they would start to notice things like this: http://revolutionaryfrontlines.files...corp-unity.jpg

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Originally Posted by Rob

It's 2012 can we not get over all this!?

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If people got over it, they would have to find something else to focus on and complain about. They might actually have to pay attention to all of the unpleasant truths in the world around them. So, I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you...people love their distractions. Frankly, that's all these types of things are--just distractions. They can pretend this stuff is important, because it takes so little effort on their part...

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Originally Posted by RobNJ

So you'd rather make it a sex thing rather than a race thing??? :gj:

Come on man...

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OP never said anything sexist about it. There are differences between male/female reactions to anger whether you are sexist or not. Men tend to get more physical, females tend to use verbal assault. However, as of recently this trend for females is flipping, and more and more females are resorting to beating the crap out of each other. There have been books written about the startling change, none of which are sexist. It's one thing to notice differences between sexes and races, it's another thing to judge based on those differences. No judgement was passed from the OP about the fight itself, and that is NOT sexism. Think about it for a second before you post. :P

what happened that night is sad and in no way a racially motivated incident
we as a country seem to believe everything we hear. even when the events of that evening are vague at best.
the facts we do know are when jesse jackson and al sharpton, and the new black panther party get involved we will all be floating in crap as they put there personal spins on everything.

why are they not more concerned with black on black murders. or gangs, or even the drug dealer peddling drugs to elementary school kids. seems more a problem to me than a random act in which the victim was black and the shooter was hispanic, but looks white.

i dont support violence but i do support the justice system
this man is not convicted and has not even stood trial but half the country has convicted him..
a bounty on his head really people.

where is the outrage with spike lee tweeting the address of a george zimmerman.

where is the cry for justice

we are americans black brown yellow white red or blue.

Why is everything about race? Because it is the narrative that certain outlets want to push. Take CNN and NBC - altering the 911 call so that is sounded like the shooter was concerned about race and not the 911 operator. Even CNN pushing this story 2 and 3 times a day. CNN pushes a story with a nasty racial agenda just about once a week. Then again - a (white) man is beaten, strippped and robbed by 11 blacks while dozens more watch and laugh - no one even calls 911 - and its a tiny story on the back page.

The coverage of these things is driving a racial wedge into our society. If Zimmerman is not found guilty or not charged just wait and see how bad it gets...

It's not all about race, a comment I heard the other day, "Your just being racist because I'm a girl". :rolleyes:

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Here are our police general orders. The dudes in blue I work with are highly trained, armed, and prepared to deal with such circumstances, not a fat community watch handcranker. :rolleyes: I know adrenaline is a funny thing, I deal with it all the time, and half the time people don't listen anyways, but after the countless legal classes I've taken for my job, we say these things for a reason. If half the people I talked to on a regular basis just breathed, and listened, it would make their lives much easier.

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Remember - when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.... ;)

Zimmermann is now in police custody and is being charged with second degree murder

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When people talk about racism and how it not a problem I am reminded of 2 things that have happened to me. but first you should know that I am white (very) and was raised in an upper middle class home where nothing like this ever happened

My husband is mexican and older than me by 12 years. on our first date we were pulled over by the cops for swerving in the lanes (we were not) it involved 6 cop cars and took 90 min. they searched his truck they pulled me aside and asked me if my parents knew where I was. I was 21 so told them it was none of their buisnes. this happened all because there was a hispanic man in a new truck with a young white girl something must be wrong? this opened my eyes to what it can be like being a non white race.


After getting married and having kids one day in the home depot parking lot as we were walking in i realized that I had forgot my phone in the car so my husband walked in with the kids and I turned back to get my phone. A guy met me at the car and informed me that i had tainted the white race and i should be ashamed. just stared at him in shock and said noting. thinking back on it I should have told him I improved it by giving it some built in sun block. I burn like a vampire but my kids tan really well.

also mixed race people are the most beautiful all you have to do is look at my daughter people stop me in the stores to tell me how pretty she is and she is only 7! my husband has said that he is getting a big gun when she is a teenager

So I guess my point is until you have walked in anothers shoes.......

I would imagine that out of 25 white males perceived to be racist, that only one of them is and the rest are just mean miserable people! Stole that from Adam carrola, but I think it is pretty accurate. What has to happen for racial equality is racial equality! Im sorry but if you voted for Obama because he was black, you are a racist! If you jumped to the conclusion that this treyvon thing had to be racially motivated cause you thought it was white against black you are racist. If you think that you can't be racist because you are not white, you are racist! I could go on and on, but all these statements are based in fact based on the definition of the word! Either way this Trayvon case was a Hispanic vs. African American crime and if you want to say Zimmerman is white because his dad is, but want to call Obama black only because his dad was, you're racist!


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also mixed race people are the most beautiful.

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Now imagine if someone said that about being white. They would be called a skin head racist. I don't have a problem with you having that opinion, just playing devils advocate. But that statement of a certain type of race is the most beautiful is an extremely racist comment.

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Now imagine if someone said that about being white. They would be called a skin head racist. I don't have a problem with you having that opinion, just playing devils advocate. But that statement of a certain type of race is the most beautiful is an extremely racist comment.

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+1, the point of my post is to illustrate this hypocricy that this girl, white or not, would not have posted that if she was advocating the beauty of white babies! By citing a minority husband you know feel your able to say racist statements. Until we all understand this is wrong this will keep being a problem.


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Now imagine if someone said that about being white. They would be called a skin head racist. I don't have a problem with you having that opinion, just playing devils advocate. But that statement of a certain type of race is the most beautiful is an extremely racist comment.

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This right here is the truth. What you said right there is exactly how racism started. "were prettier then white people, black people smell, white people are rednecks," as much as you don't think so these are all racist comments. Anything that you say that one race is better in anything than another is racism. Might want to be careful what you say as you complain about other people being racist.

As for the Trayvon Martin shooting, I haven't researched it and I do know that the media twists things but it is still sad. This was a 17 year old boy who got killed. Regardless of whether it was racial or self defense, it's still sad. Although I do believe the reports of a producer switching things, he still said "quote removed" which instantly makes it seem racial. And what do you expect martin to do when a man who out weighs him by almost 100 lbs approaches him and tries to put a gun in his face, id fight for my life too. What is sad is this kid had to lose his life. Not the fact that he was black or hispanic or white, he was a kid. Zimmerman shouldnt have shot him. But all the crying now wont bring him back.

Like I said earlier, As a nation, we need to come together. Where I live black on black crime is everywhere as well as white on white, fact of the matter is, if you say "my kid is prettier cause she is mixed" you are a RACIST.

"mixed is the most beautiful"
What??? You just proved the whole point of this thread, how everything is about race. SMH...:angered::confused::disbelief:ohmygod:
Why can't we just agree that what is on the outside has nothing to do with the inside, and that the outside doesn't matter to begin with??

Because al sharpton is still alive. Hes the biggest racist of them all

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And what do you expect martin to do when a man who out weighs him by almost 100 lbs approaches him and tries to put a gun in his face, id fight for my life too.

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really you would fight if someone pointed a gun in your face... not wise

according to reports the gun was concealed and only exposed when the kid jumped the guard...

this whole situation has been made to be about race.

p.s. this whole 100 lb difference doesnt mean anything. when i was 17 i was about treyvons size and height but i fought anyone didnt matter there size. looking back i am grateful i didnt mix it up with someone who had a gun at the time. and if they had pulled a gun first i would have ran not fought.

so my rant is let this case be tried and we will learn if it was racially motivated or just a incident that took a turn for the worst.

as well not to start a fight but i agree with this

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Because al sharpton is still alive. Hes the biggest racist of them all

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as well putting reverend in front of ones name doesnt give them justification to be racist

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Ahhh...Chicago...where it's newsworthy when ONLY 5 people are shot and killed over a weekend. I wonder if Sharpton and Jackson are going to speak out about this http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2012/0...ght-on-camera/

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thank you for posting this... wow i just watched this and wonder where the public outcry is... why isnt this on front page of every news media in this country.

hey president obama if you had a son he would look like the guy getting beaten as well

after reviewing information further...

911 dispatch told Zimmerman that they don't need him to follow. I did not hear where they told him they he couldn't follow. Or any direct command to stop following.

Second, Trayvon was told to flee by "Deedee" and began running.

70 feet from his destination, Trayvon decided to engage someone following him.


Here's where the story goes weird for me.

I see a strange person, so I follow them. This person runs away, I continue to follow. A beeper from a car door is reported to be heard in the 911 call (I didn't hear it on my very censored version I heard). These beepers happen when a car door is opened. If Zimmerman was essentially chasing Trayvon down, there are no eye witnesses, and Zimmerman was continuing his pursuit....then why was he opening a car door? was he looking for another weapon because he didn't think his KelTec 9mm couldn't handle the situation? Was he hoping to run him over before he went into the house? Or maybe....just maybe, he was getting into the car to avoid an approaching Trayvon now that the destination was found and could be handed over to the police (you know, the things neighborhood patrols tend to do).

Yes, certain people in America NEED this to be in public view in court to be "made right". I hope the court system finds him innocent and tries to make this right for him. Guilty or innocent, I see Zimmerman living a very short life.(especially with jerk comments being made by people like Mike Tyson)