New Albino Ball Python

Here is a pic of my little albino ball that I picked up over the weekend. He is an albino that is possible het for snow. He was purchased from Cory at Bradford Cole Herp Inc.
Enjoy,
Jason
http://www.circlecityserpents.com/albino.jpg

Wow! Nice fat little guy, Jason! Congrats!

that is exactly what i wish i could afford. what his/her name?

Hey thanks for the kind words. I have yet to name him, I'm horrible at finding names that I really like so it may take a while. For now is just my little baby :P
Jason

Almost forgot to add, I too was someone who could not afford the snakes I wanted, but I started saving all my extra money and invested in just a few to get started. I bought a Pastel Jungle and about 5 normal females. Last year was my first breeding year with Ball Pythons and I produced two clutches from normalxpastel breedings. I produced 5 Pastels, sold a pair, and traded the others and some cash for my albino. Now what I am trying to get at is, if you stay focused, and work at it, your "pets" can make you enough money to afford the pets you want. I am once again breeding my Pastel along with other morphs I have aquired in hopes of buying a pied next year with the money. It is possible. I am by no means giong to make a living on my small collection (50 Ball Pythons), but if it pays for the next morph I want, thats all I can ask. Sorry for the rant, just wanted to let you know it is pretty simple and relatively cheap to start a nice breeding group.
Jason

i couldn't breed for money. i dont like to think of snakes as cash, but as indivuduals. not saying you don't care about your animals, i'm just more comfortable dividing my attention between a couple of snakes as opposed to as many as you have.

This is what I was trying to explain. Everyone seems to think if you breed morphs that you do it for money. As I said I am breeding morphs so I can afford the morphs I want. I am not making a living off of snakes, and they are not paying the bills, but I can buy the next morph with each years offspring as well as supply the customer with quality captive bred animals, so hopefully import numbers will come down. I understand what your saying, and I did own snakes for a good 8-10 years before breeding, but it gets expensive putting money into something that nevers gives you any in return. I guess I am just too business minded.
Jason

tell me to mind my own business if ya want, but how much did that baby run you? i'm seriously captivated by it, must have one.

Are 100% hets proven? Thats how that works, correct?

With 50% pairs I could produce albinos in a couple years. But by then I fear I won't be able to sell them, or they will be worthless.

must... not... covet....

I like the looks of the albinos and the piebalds, but I think it will be a long time before I can afford either. I may watch for a nice deal on a young female normal when we go up to the reptile show in Phoenix in a few weeks.

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Originally Posted by BallKingdom

Are 100% hets proven? Thats how that works, correct?

With 50% pairs I could produce albinos in a couple years. But by then I fear I won't be able to sell them, or they will be worthless.

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100% hets are created 2 ways:

A) Breeding a Homozygous animal to a normal - the entire clutch of resulting offspring will be 100% hets.

B) Breeding a Homozygous animal to a heterozygous animal - theoretically half of the resulting offspring will be homozygous, and half will be 100% hets.


50% hets come from breeding a heterozygous animal to a normal animal. Half of the resulting offspring are normal and half of the resulting offspring are hets (once again, theoretically speaking), but since all of the offspring are normal in appearance it is impossible to tell which are the hets and which aren't. Hence when picking offspring from such a pairing, you have a 50% chance of that particular animal being a het.

Make sense? If not, let me know what I can clarify. This stuff can take a few tries to understand completely.

K

P.S. Albino ball pythons will NEVER be worthless - there is always going to be a demand for them.

K

once again i ask, how much would one of those bad boys cost?

I think it's on Bob Clark's site that I saw albinos listed for $3000 each.

Yeah, they are up around 3,000 for albinos, you can get a 100%het pair for like 800-900 and in two years you'll get a clutch of all albinos from breeding them. I think.

Now if each of those are worth, lets say 2500 by then. Well...you sure make up for your 900 bucks. Then you have about 12,000 bucks in your pockets to go for 100% het pied, or maybe to another morph. You start off with a little, and slowly work your way up. Soon you'll start having tens of thousands to buy your herps with and you can start making some serious cash on the side. It's kinda progressive, hopefully in a year or two I'll get some hets of something. If I could I'd get some 100% albinos right now.

It's worth a shot, eh?

Sorry I did not reply sooner about the cost. This albino was a little more than a normal Ball Python due to the fact that he is possible het for snow. As for price about $5000, I did some trading, not all cash so it is a little differant, but you get the idea. As for his genetics, his father was a double het VPI snow, his mother was an albino. This gives him a 50/50 chance of being Het for VPI axanthic. I will be breeding him to some het VPI axanthic girls in hopes of proving him to be a het. Alot of work, but its all worth it :D
Jason

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Originally Posted by BallKingdom

you can get a 100%het pair for like 800-900 and in two years you'll get a clutch of all albinos

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No, the above statement is incorrect. When you breed Het X Het, you will get - theoretically speaking - 1/4 of the clutch should be normal, non-gene-carrying animals, 1/2 of the clutch should be albino, and 1/4 of the clutch should be normal-appearing animals that are heterozygous for albino. Hence you've just created homozygous albinos as well as 66% possible hets.

Make sense?

K

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Originally Posted by BallKingdom

Now if each of those are worth, lets say 2500 by then. Well...you sure make up for your 900 bucks. Then you have about 12,000 bucks in your pockets to go for 100% het pied, or maybe to another morph. You start off with a little, and slowly work your way up. Soon you'll start having tens of thousands to buy your herps with and you can start making some serious cash on the side. It's kinda progressive, hopefully in a year or two I'll get some hets of something. If I could I'd get some 100% albinos right now.

It's worth a shot, eh?

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Have you factored in what it will cost you to feed all these animals? Cage them in an efficient manner that also makes them comfortable enough to reproduce? What it will cost to raise your feeders (if you breed them yourself), or to buy and store them if you purchase elsewhere? Where do you put all of this - do you have room in your current residence, or do you need to build an addition, or even rent space at another location? What does electricity and water cost to maintain a growing collection, not to mention husbandry supplies? The list goes on and on and on and on...

Not trying to put a damper on anything...just add some perspective. It's not all just "money in the bank."

K

P.S. Why pay $12k for a het pied? You can get het pairs for around $5k and actual Pieds for $7500+

Yeah, I def screwed that to hell. It was like 5:45 in the morning when I wrote that. Where was my mind, hehe. I meant a 100% het pied pair, so you could hopefully get pieds.

Thanks, and yeah you do need to factor in a lot of things. But I didn't really get into it. Hets are not my thing.

Or, if you really want to spend money, you can go for the "Bumble Bee Spider" morph I saw on one web page, listed for $45000.

I told someone about the all white BP shown on Bob Clark's web page, and that person commented, "Wow, that's probably worth like $1200 as a baby!"

I told him to try at least 40 times that. My guess is, if that all white is valued at less than $100K, I'd be very surprised. I don't know a lot about the values of the rare morphs, but if a variety of Spider morph is worth $45K, and multi-colored pieds are worth somewhere in the $25K to $35K range (at least some of the ones I've seen listed), a very rare all white is going to be worth far more than that.

Leucisitics fell into a few breeders hands this year. And that bumble bee is probably Kara's. Some morphs cost tens of thousands, some just a few. It's nuts, no hobbyist can buy an average morph for a while. It'll be years before prices drop to a pastel being about 200.

[QUOTE]: It'll be years before prices drop to a pastel being about 200. [/UNQUOTE]

If that will ever happen, I'm sure it won't. Ball pythons are WAY too up there in demand for any prices to drop even for years and years. Yeah, prices have dropped on albino's since Bob clark came across the first few, but not to the point where anybody or his mom can go out and buy one as if it were just a normal. If the price on an albino EVER drops to even $300, what the heck are we supposed be expecting to pay for just a normal? I don't think the prices will go anywhere.

That's my $0.02 :)

Jennifer

I bet the prices will drop significantly in the next ten years. Just my guess.

Prices are always the product of supply and demand. If enough breeders start cranking out albinos in greater numbers than the market demands, prices will drop. That's one of the "risks" of animal breeding. Since your buyers may also end up being "competition" in the future, it's tough to even try to maintain prices by limiting supply.

The "danger" to the market is the "mill" mentality breeders, much as have infested the purebred dog market, and some of the cage bird markets. "Mill" breeders will crank out as many animals as possible, with as little attention as they can get away with paid to proper care and animal health. All the mill breeders care about is getting as many sellable offspring in as little time as possible. If the parent animals' health suffers, oh well, as long as you're making money. Such breeders are bad for the species, and bad for the image of the responsible breeders.

Well, with ever season you produce thousands of homozygous and het animals. The albinos will make more hets or albinos the next season. The hets are then bought by hobbyists like us, and bred, so in two years the hobbyists have homozygous animals. It's gonna be booming in about a year or two, I'm pretty sure.

I wanna see pastels drop to 500, some are very nice, some aren't. I guess the lower quality should go at a lower price.

you can get a 100%het pair for like 800-900 and in two years you'll get a clutch of all albinos from breeding them. I think.

-almost,a pair of hets gives you 1 albino,2 hets and a normal.theoretically.Then again you could get all albinos,or all hets,or all normals,unlikely,but possible.
So the hets from the parents would be 66%because chances are 2/3 normal looking ones should be hets.
Make sense?Clear as mud?theres easy charts to figure out simple genetics.
heres a link- www.supersnakes.com/gwiz.htm

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Originally Posted by BallKingdom

Well, with ever season you produce thousands of homozygous and het animals.

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Try HUNDREDS, not thousands, especially on homozygous animals. There are fewer homozygous animals being produced than people estimate.

K

most definitly
i'm getting a 100% het orange ghost very soon from corey woods
i can't wait till next breeding season

sorry to resurrect an old thread, but I found some stuff in here ironic. Bumblebees for $45k, 100% het albino pairs for $900, and the fact that it will be years before pastels cost $200.

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