Hello C: haha quick q?

decided to make an account for this forum haha because i did some of my reasearch here before i got my two classic bps C:

anyways i have an exo terra waterfall med and fogger and oddly both bps are curled around it :o im guessing cause its warm? im not sure is this normal?

WOAH one of them thats never ever ever lunged or showed any aggression to me just hissed at me D: what the H? atleast i think it was a hiss i can't confirm it, and im not sure if its the other one or not... x] should i turn off the waterfall so they move away from it ? O_o theyve been on the humid waterfally side of the tank since like... 4am O_o

Are they in the same cage?

It might be causing warmth

What are your cage temperatures, what hides do you have, and what are you using to measure temperatures/humidity?

Please review this caresheet...

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...s%29-Caresheet

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

WOAH one of them thats never ever ever lunged or showed any aggression to me just hissed at me D: what the H? atleast i think it was a hiss i can't confirm it, and im not sure if its the other one or not... x] should i turn off the waterfall so they move away from it ? O_o theyve been on the humid waterfally side of the tank since like... 4am O_o

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Sounds like they are both in the same cage. This is not recommended and can have a very bad outcome.

The hardest thing about this post was trying to figure out the C:.

Being a computer guy, I automatically think C drive (C:\) so I was confused. Took me a minute to realize it was supposed to be a smiley face. :)

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Originally Posted by MasonC2K

The hardest thing about this post was trying to figure out the C:.

Being a computer guy, I automatically think C drive (C:\) so I was confused. Took me a minute to realize it was supposed to be a smiley face. :)

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OMG thank you for posting this! I'm glad I'm not the only one!! ;)

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Originally Posted by MasonC2K

The hardest thing about this post was trying to figure out the C:.

Being a computer guy, I automatically think C drive (C:\) so I was confused. Took me a minute to realize it was supposed to be a smiley face. :)

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That's what I thought at first as well lol. Glad I'm not alone

x4 on the C: thing, couldnt figure that out for the life of me...
To the OP: you definetly wanna get 2 seperate enclosures for your bps

I remember when people could type in English, and use punctuation. It was a simpler time back then...

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Originally Posted by Slim

I remember when people could type in English, and use punctuation. It was a simpler time back then...

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Well there was way more time to think about what to say bc one could only chisel the stone tablets so fast...

There both females in a 75 gallon tank, a few months old, theyve been together ever since they were tiny, i have like 5 hides, and a little basking spot.. no heat rocks.. i have a heat pad by the waterfall.. well more towards under the waterfall.. and the exo terra fogger warms up the waterfall its odd.. but theyre all on the humid spot of the tank the left side measures between 75 and 80 (the humid spot) and the other spot measures around 87 to 90 turns out it was the waterfall hissing at me lol... pump got moved somehow... x]


and yeah the C: thing is some new trend being passed around for the past 2 years i never liked it cause it looks oblivious but hey might as well join the train haha :)

The reason I clicked on this thread was to try and figure out what the heck the "c" thing was supposed to say.

You definately need to get your snakes in their own enclosures! The care sheet that was posted here has all the information you need.

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

There both females in a 75 gallon tank, a few months old, theyve been together ever since they were tiny, i have like 5 hides, and a little basking spot.. no heat rocks.. i have a heat pad by the waterfall.. well more towards under the waterfall.. and the exo terra fogger warms up the waterfall its odd.. but theyre all on the humid spot of the tank the left side measures between 75 and 80 (the humid spot) and the other spot measures around 87 to 90 turns out it was the waterfall hissing at me lol... pump got moved somehow... x]


and yeah the C: thing is some new trend being passed around for the past 2 years i never liked it cause it looks oblivious but hey might as well join the train haha :)

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Here is a post by another member of the forum that says this better than I can (Thanks LGray23)

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Here's my general answer for questions like this...which are sadly common.
Cohabitating reptiles even as the same species is not recommended. Insead of just telling you "no" I'll list the common reasons why.
1) Cannibalism, not common, but there are DOCUMENTED cases. This alone isn't worth the risk.
2) Stress. Even the most friendly snakes get stressed out, so why cause the stress? Snakes have no want or need to be with another snake unless it's for breeding purposes. Other than that, it's just an unwanted roommate that they can't get away from.
3) Space. They will constantly try to dominate eachother for the best spots in the enclosure, even if you have multiple hides, you'll mainly see them together in one spot. People usually see this as "cuddling". It's not cuddling, they are fighting over the best spot.
4) You wake up in the morning after feeding and there's a regurgitated mouse. Which one did it?
5) One gets sick, now both are sick. That's 2X the vet bills, 2X the medications, and 2X the stress.
6) You are told the new snake you bought is the same sex as the one you already have. a year later, you find eggs in the enclosure. You have not prepared, no incubator, no space for babies, and no one to sell them to. What do you do now? The pet store/vet/person sexed them wrong.
7) Quarantine. How are you going to quarantine the new snake away from your original one? As you gain more experience, you'll find that quarantine is a NECESSITY. You could get a perfectly healthy snake, or one covered in mite eggs that hatch 3 days after you bring it home. Now both snakes have mites. Snakes also can take a long time to start showing symptoms of illness, now you got your original snake sick because you didn't quarantine.

Those are just the more known and common issues with housing multiple reptiles. The list goes on. The only pro to housing them together is to save space in your house by only having one enclosure, but is it worth it? That is up to you.

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I do have 2 more questions:

1. Does your heating pad have a thermostat?

2. what are you using to measure temperatures/humidity?

as of now just little wall gauges imgonna be getting a digital thermostat and humidity reader tonight though, and as for the seperate cage thing i've heard some people have hadsome luck but only if theyvebeen together for a long time.. i wanted to give it a shot, if things go bad mabye ill put a devider in the tank.

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Originally Posted by Slim

I remember when people could type in English, and use punctuation. It was a simpler time back then...

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e.e. cummings wept

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as of now just little wall gauges imgonna be getting a digital thermostat and humidity reader tonight though, and as for the seperate cage thing i've heard some people have hadsome luck but only if theyvebeen together for a long time.. i wanted to give it a shot, if things go bad mabye ill put a devider in the tank.

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you mean thermometer right? (thermostat doesn't = thermometer one regulates temperatures the other just reads them)

You can get this thermometer from walmart for $12, they read 2 temperatures and humidity. (You need a thermometer with a probe since Heating pads do not affect air temperature)

http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/...nt/photo-3.jpg

So is your heating pad on a thermostat? If it isn't, I highly advise against getting a thermostat from a pet store as they really aren't that good and have a tendency to stop working. I can recommend some good ones if you want

And here's a link to back up all the cons against cohabitating.
http://squamishserpents.ca/care-info...-one-enclosure

You are confusing a thermometer with a thermostat. The difference is one reads temps and one controls temps. Here is what you risk by not having a thermostat and not knowing what the temps are in the enclosure.
(graphic)
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...-me...(graphic)

yeah i meant thermometer, i get confused lol, the walmart one ill try to find is there any at petsmart like that? my walmart and petsmart are like right next to eachother xD

Pet stores don't carry thermostats, especially Petco/Petsmart :rolleyes:

Amazon.com sells a Hydrofarm thermostat for $30 shipped. That's pretty much the cheapest reliable thermostat you'll find.

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

yeah i meant thermometer, i get confused lol, the walmart one ill try to find is there any at petsmart like that? my walmart and petsmart are like right next to eachother xD

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if there are they will cost 5 times as much, but I have never seen one. just get the one from Walmart (they usually are in the light bulb section)



Here are 2 good thermostats. Once again I cannot stress enough that the thermostats sold at pet stores are not worth your money.

1. The hydrofarm thermostat, sold on Amazon for $30. These will do their job but aren't very accurate and don't have any safety features. (these should be replaced with a better thermostat when possible)

http://www.amazon.com/Hydrofarm-MTPR..._bxgy_ol_img_b

2. The Herpstat, these cost more (starting at $99) but are extremely accurate and have multiple safety features as well as higher quality in general.

http://spyderrobotics.com/

Honestly Pet stores should be avoided when possible. They charge too much and generally have lower quality products. Not to mention that their staffs are usually misinformed about reptiles so if nothing else don't look for advice there.