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Black Pastel Lines
I was just wondering if any one out there knows how many different lines of black pastel there are, any information or pictures would be greatly appreciated!
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I have heard of the VPI Satin line and the Graziani line, I was just curious to know if any other breeders had produced their own line?
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Outback reptiles has a nice line, LadyOhhh on here has her own line I believe, and Gary Liesen has a very nice line - probably my favorite of them all.
Old Photo of a Female Liesen Black Pastel:
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5290/5...4b1449611a.jpg
Old photo of a Male Outback Reptiles Black Pastel Het Hypo:
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5249/5...6555140cef.jpg
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Just curious, how does one start their own "line" of black pastels? (or any morph)
Is it when they have imported a morph from Africa that looks like a different-looking black pastel and which proves out to be genetic?
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Originally Posted by mattchibi
Just curious, how does one start their own "line" of black pastels? (or any morph)
Is it when they have imported a morph from Africa that looks like a different-looking black pastel and which proves out to be genetic?
Pretty Much. :D
Basically if you can prove something genetic and it's unrelated (at least not known to be related) to another similar morph, you can name the morph (if it's new) and the line.
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There's also the Ian G line :gj:
I had no idea there were so many different lines of black pastels =o
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Don't think there's a Graziani line.......:confused:
And Tom Barnhart's line of BP rocks!! :headbang:
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I feel like Liesen's line are the best, its the kind I want to get one day
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I herd Ian G line black pastels are better if your going for the super form. stops "duck billing"
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Originally Posted by TMurphy
Don't think there's a Graziani line.......:confused:
And Tom Barnhart's line of BP rocks!! :headbang:
Greg Graziani proved out Cinnamon Pastel's not Black pastel's.;)
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Originally Posted by mattchibi
Just curious, how does one start their own "line" of black pastels? (or any morph)
Is it when they have imported a morph from Africa that looks like a different-looking black pastel and which proves out to be genetic?
I think you can also start your own line if you start breeding the snakes for one certain trait. Like graziani pastels were bred for blushing and nerd lemon pastels were bred for color...etc
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I work with the Gulf Coast Reptiles line http://stewartreptiles.com/?page_id=30
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Wow so theres quite a few out there then, bioteacher those are some nice pictures and I'd be partial to agreeing with gardenfiend 138, those liesen line black pastels look very nice as do all the others :)! TMurphy I haven't heard of that line before do you have any pictures at all? I heard the same thing AJexotics, Emilio if your correct though do you think this mis-understanding could be due to confusion between the two morphs? Thats always interesting to know Deborah and again some lovely animals :), thanks for everyone's input so far!
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Here is a Ian G. (Outback Reptiles) line female Black Pewter het Hypo at about 750g, you can see in she kept a lot of black and has not yellowed much at all, and look at the head blushing:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...ULIET_WM_1.jpg
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Originally Posted by AJexotics
I herd Ian G line black pastels are better if your going for the super form. stops "duck billing"
I've heard that rumor also, I hope to find out this summer..
2500 gram female Ian G.(outback reptiles line) blush back black pastel X an Ian G. Line black pastel 50% pos het ghost
http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...s/IMG_0679.jpg
Scarlet ~ 08 black pastel female
http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...e/IMG_0896.jpg
Cosby ~ 2010 Black pastel 50% pos het ghost
http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...l/IMG_0411.jpg
I have read and heard that Barnhart and Liesen line Black pastels have the trick gene attached to them, which is why they are so twisted up :)
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The Outback (Ian G.) line is nice, but I still love my Liesen line female - she is holding her black much better. I also heard the same about Outback reducing/preventing duck-billing... I'll also be finding out later this year as my Liesen female should be good to go.
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Here's out VPI Black Satin line boy. The other lines I've heard of are Outback, GCR, and Liesen.
http://i859.photobucket.com/albums/a...IMG_4144-1.jpg
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Originally Posted by Pollard89
TMurphy I haven't heard of that line before do you have any pictures at all?
No picts....Tom has an Onyx female on KS classifieds...or do a search on BLBC, he's done a couple threads there on his line of BPs
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Wow I'm loving that VPI Satin jsmorphs2, and thanks for the info again TMurphy I'll be sure to check that out! Well snakesRkewl and bioteacher hopefully I'll be joining you in the attempt to produce supers, probably not until next year though, I've just picked up my female though who was collected for me in Hamm from Mike Willbanks :D!
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?s...type=3&theater
Hopefully that link will work too cause I've never tried to upload a picture into a thread yet and the good old copy and paste doesn't work!
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Ok so that didn't work so I've just uploaded all the pics I have of my two black pastels but hopefully this will work now so I can show you all my new female!
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...head_thumb.jpg
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Im thinking about getting back into Ball pythons again and im curious how much do black pastels usually run for? And what about Cinnimons? The reason i mention cinnamons is because ive heard that theyre just a different type of black pastel... Im hoping to maybe pick one up in the near future at one of the Atlanta repticon shows that will be here fairly soon. Since the black pastels & cinnamons are compatible when you breed the 2 does that prevent any "duck billing" in the offspring? And lastly if you breed a black pastel/cinnimon to a normal pastel what kind of offspring would you get? Sorry for all the questions, i dont know a whole lot about BP morphs etc haha.
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Originally Posted by CallmeUmaster
Im thinking about getting back into Ball pythons again and im curious how much do black pastels usually run for? And what about Cinnimons? The reason i mention cinnamons is because ive heard that theyre just a different type of black pastel... Im hoping to maybe pick one up in the near future at one of the Atlanta repticon shows that will be here fairly soon. Since the black pastels & cinnamons are compatible when you breed the 2 does that prevent any "duck billing" in the offspring? And lastly if you breed a black pastel/cinnimon to a normal pastel what kind of offspring would you get? Sorry for all the questions, i dont know a whole lot about BP morphs etc haha.
Cinny to Black Pastel supposedly reduces the risk of duck billing...It can still happen though.
If you breed a Super Cinny/Black Pastel you will produce all Cinnies and Black Pastels.
I personally would never cross the two and hate when it is done...Dirties up the lines!
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I think it would be better to outcross your Black Pastels or Cinnies than to bred them together.
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Originally Posted by coldbloodaddict
I personally would never cross the two and hate when it is done...Dirties up the lines!
I just fell in love with you.............I love you man. :beer:
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Originally Posted by tmurphy
i just fell in love with you.............i love you man. :beer:
lol
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I have to agree with you both as well, I don't like the idea of crossing out black pastels to cinnies, it just doesnt seem right considering how much confusion their is between the two any way, plus a super black pastel would seem a true super black pastel if it was black pastel to a cinnie! Bioteacher those are some very nice pictures again, are they both yours? From seeing those I'd have to hazard a guess and say that my male looks like it could be of Liesen line origin, what do you think?
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file..._full_view.jpg
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Originally Posted by Pollard89
I have to agree with you both as well, I don't like the idea of crossing out black pastels to cinnies, it just doesnt seem right considering how much confusion their is between the two any way, plus a super black pastel would seem a true super black pastel if it was black pastel to a cinnie! Bioteacher those are some very nice pictures again, are they both yours? From seeing those I'd have to hazard a guess and say that my male looks like it could be of Liesen line origin, what do you think?
Not the best pic, but it doesn't look like a Liesen Line Black Pastel to me...
Liesen Line Black Pastel
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j2...telLL_3807.jpg
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j2...telLL_3803.jpg
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Thanks for clearing that up for me coldbloodaddict, in all honesty I'm not too worried about what line he is, I think he's a gorgeous snake all the same but obviously I'm going to be biased! Those are very nice looking pics though did you produce the animal yourself? Just out of curiosity to all who have replied to this thread do any of you know particular breeders who breed the different lines that I could get in touch with if I was looking to get a black pastel from a particular line?
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Originally Posted by Pollard89
Thanks for clearing that up for me coldbloodaddict, in all honesty I'm not too worried about what line he is, I think he's a gorgeous snake all the same but obviously I'm going to be biased! Those are very nice looking pics though did you produce the animal yourself? Just out of curiosity to all who have replied to this thread do any of you know particular breeders who breed the different lines that I could get in touch with if I was looking to get a black pastel from a particular line?
No problem...No he was produced by Gary Liesen.
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