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Introducing Littlefoot & Cera (Savannah Monitors)
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Re: Introducing Littlefoot & Cera (Savannah Monitors)
I was wondering when you'd finally post those guys up over here! They're just beautiful and I'm thrilled to see them finally enjoying the monitor heaven you created for them!
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Re: Introducing Littlefoot & Cera (Savannah Monitors)
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Originally Posted by JLC
I was wondering when you'd finally post those guys up over here! They're just beautiful and I'm thrilled to see them finally enjoying the monitor heaven you created for them!
Hello Judy.
I switched computers just the other day, I only just now got to load all my favourites in.
Thanks so much.. For everything.
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Re: Introducing Littlefoot & Cera (Savannah Monitors)
Wow, they are absolutely adorable! And so teeny :) How big do they get?
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Those little dudes are really cool. Can't wait to see pics of them grown up.
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Originally Posted by Ashleigh91
Wow, they are absolutely adorable! And so teeny :) How big do they get?
this big and then some.......
http://www.chompersite.com/indoors/images/chomp2.jpg
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Re: Introducing Littlefoot & Cera (Savannah Monitors)
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Originally Posted by infernalis
That's awesome :D When I own my own home I want one xD
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I love to see an enclosure that makes a monitor look small, most people cramp even their babies. Looking forward to updates as they grow up, great stuff!
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Re: Introducing Littlefoot & Cera (Savannah Monitors)
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Originally Posted by John1982
I love to see an enclosure that makes a monitor look small, most people cramp even their babies. Looking forward to updates as they grow up, great stuff!
They use every inch of it... Probably the most roaming space they have had since birth.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWFVq8p8G58
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwiBEUHl4b0
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Hehe...little rock stars of the herp world...and you're the paparazzo. :P
It must be amazing to sit and watch them and play "Where's Waldo" when they're hiding. :D
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I almost almost almost baught a sav wednesday, $40 I could of gotten it for $25 she told me to wait till after the repticon and if she had any left she will defently sell one to me for $15. they are babies about this size which I have a temp set up if I get one, and I will have plenty of time to build my enclosour for one. There are only two lizards I spend more time studing about and that is Bearded dragons and Savs
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Originally Posted by crepers86
I will have plenty of time to build my enclosure for one. There are only two lizards I spend more time studying about and that is Bearded dragons and Savs
One thing I feel strongly about, this "temporary enclosure" statement, Hear it all the time.
Procrastination is human nature, we all do it.. and in the end it's the animal that suffers.
I really think it's best to have an optimal environment set up for any animal prior to purchasing it..
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Originally Posted by JLC
Hehe...little rock stars of the herp world...and you're the paparazzo. :P
It must be amazing to sit and watch them and play "Where's Waldo" when they're hiding. :D
yup yup yup....
http://www.varanus.us/babies/underamp.jpg
http://www.varanus.us/babies/underamp1.jpg
http://www.varanus.us/babies/underRamp.jpg
http://www.varanus.us/babies/mossy1.jpg
http://www.varanus.us/babies/underlog1.jpg
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Re: Introducing Littlefoot & Cera (Savannah Monitors)
"Psssst, hey 'Foot," Cera whispered to Littlefoot. "I need to catch some rays. You seen that crazy man with the camera around anywhere?"
"Nah, girl, you're good." Littlefoot gave her a knowing wink and a flick of his tail. "You go on and lay out. I got yer back."
I'm really enjoying living vicariously through your pics and vids. It's like they are their own reality show. :D
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PS -- You know you're a herper when you read this quote....
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Originally Posted by infernalis
My apologies for the ones that are not so sharp, Zoomed shots taken from far away.
...and your brain immediately wonders when Zoo Med started making cameras.
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Re: Introducing Littlefoot & Cera (Savannah Monitors)
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Originally Posted by JLC
PS -- You know you're a herper when you read this quote....
...and your brain immediately wonders when Zoo Med started making cameras.
:rolleye2:
You know you're a herper when you see things on the side of the road and immediately wonder if you can use it in a reptile cage...
http://www.varanus.us/babies/climb.jpg
http://www.varanus.us/babies/pullup.jpg
http://www.varanus.us/babies/nosepop.jpg
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Here we are, feeding the most fatty form of a rodent to a savannah monitor.
Come on Wayne, I figured even you would have learned something.
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Re: Introducing Littlefoot & Cera (Savannah Monitors)
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Originally Posted by MMReptiles
Here we are, feeding the most fatty form of a rodent to a savannah monitor.
Come on Wayne, I figured even you would have learned something.
Is this the part where you tell me the world's leading Monitor experts are all wrong? (Bennett, Kirshner, Thakoordyal, Balsai, etc..)
Before we get too carried away, Their PRIMARY diet is roaches, crickets, worms & slugs. So far in the 7 weeks I have owned them each lizard has ate exactly 4 pinks each.
Monitors & Mice, The Myth Dispelled
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Originally Posted by Daniel Bennett
I posted this elsewhere but I think it's highly relevant
"sure savs eat rodents in the wild, i agree savs are oportuntic feeders" "captive savannah monitors should not be fed rodents."
Savannah monitors aren't opportunistic feeders in the wild. They are after very specific types of prey and none of them are rodents. I think that's because they couldn't compete with all the other animals that are feeding on rodents; if they come across small enough rodents of course they will eat them but the search patterns they use turn up a rather narrow range of invertebrates, snails, and frogs with the odd reptile egg and that's what is in their guts almost all of the time. Of course the range of the species is very wide and our sample sizes are very small, but so far its feeding ecology looks rather specialised compared to opportunistic monitor species.
I think that you can recognise, or define, opportunistic monitors in the wild, by seeing if they are attracted to rotten carrion. If you try to bait monitor lizards with carrion in Africa you will get niloticus but you will not get exanthematicus. If you did it in Malaysia you would get biawaks and bengalensis but you would not get rudicollis and you probably wouldn't get dumerilii either. If you did in the Philippines you would only get biawaks. It's a useful definition because it's a very easy test. I'd guess that if you did it in Indonesia you wouldn't get prasinus type animals and you have some surprise non shows amongst the others.
What do we know about the natural diets of these monitors that can't be attracted with bait? Of course their range is wide and our sample sizes are very small but they seem to have very tight dietary niches compared to their opportunistic counterparts. There's a conspicuous lack of what I would call snake food.
Incidentally; these non carrion eating monitor lizards tend to perform poorly in captivity, especially the ones that live in wet forests. In contrast the carrion eaters are generally considered quite easy to breed.
How such idle speculation can be applied to the feeding of monitor lizards in boxes is uncertain, because all monitor lizards that can be bred in boxes will apparently thrive for indefinite generations on a diet of rodents and invertebrates. There's (almost?) no documented evidence of generations of captive monitors raised without rodents, but for many years now people have been banging on about how vital it is to omit rodents from the diets of savannah monitor lizards in particular. Why could that be?
David H. Good 1998, REPTILE magazine. Misunderstanding the Savannah Monitor: An Argument for Changed Husbandry.
This junk article was based on a talk the author had heard, but apparently entirely failed to comprehend, about wild savannah monitors. The talk was at the only monitor lizard conference that has ever been held in the USA, in San Diego. David Good spectacularly got every single detail in his article wrong, and the only thing he remembered correctly was that no rodents had been found in the diet of savannah monitors. He used this to suggest a rethink of savannah monitor husbandry that should have landed him in prison. Ever since it's been regularly rehashed by generations of monitor keepers who have spectacularly failed to breed their lizards. "They need a natural diet in captivity", what utter nonsense.
What David Good should have done was listen to another talk on the same day by a man nobody in the monitor lizard world had ever heard of. I can honestly say that nobody I knew in that room believed a word of it at the time, but it sparked a complete revolution in the way monitor lizards were kept. More importantly, it introduced a completely different philosophy to the husbandry of captives; that captive conditions should improve on natural conditions rather than replicate them. In nature monitor lizards are constrained by limited heat, water, food and shelters. By removing these constraints he claimed monitor lizards would grow at phenomenal rates and become fecund beyond all expectations. When members of the audience objected to basking temperatures so high they could easily kill the lizards, he claimed that the monitors sought such heat out of their own free will.
"so why would you not just try your best to give it as close to the natural living conditions as posible with out argument? sounds like kinda a crazy argument ?" Not really, because natural conditions are harsh and it's just possible that savannah monitors actually prefer rodents to milipedes.
Anybody who has read to the end of this ramble deserves a nice picture
http://library.mampam.com/images/sum...Bature1997.jpg
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Sure, I would agree they are opportunistic. That being said, I could see an adult/larger sav eating the occasional mouse/baby mouse, but a baby sav eating a baby mouse is highly unlikely.
Regardless of the research behind it, why would you offer such a fatty food to a BABY, when lets face it. The animal DOESN'T need it.
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Originally Posted by MMReptiles
Sure, I would agree they are opportunistic. That being said, I could see an adult/larger sav eating the occasional mouse/baby mouse, but a baby sav eating a baby mouse is highly unlikely.
Regardless of the research behind it, why would you offer such a fatty food to a BABY, when lets face it. The animal DOESN'T need it.
Just a little insight, those pinks fattened up the lizards for all of 12 hours, with a nice hot cage digestion is so rapid that they were hungry again the next morning.
Now a little science nugget, These animals gather critical moisture from the food they eat, opportunities to drink are far and few between in Ghana, the rainy season is only a few weeks long.
Their physiology is such that their bodies absorb water from the food they eat, then they go down their burrows and conserve that water.
It has been proven that "soaking" does not hydrate them, and quite honestly, mine do not seem to care much about their water bowl at all.
To be honest, if I was shoving pinkies in their face all the time, I would gladly accept any criticism, but if you look at that entire group of photos, you will see a healthy mix of inverts there, and only a couple pinks.
It has been unanimously decided that improper housing is the culprit as to why so many Savs perish, and not the occasional rodent.
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Originally Posted by MMReptiles
Regardless of the research behind it, why would you offer such a fatty food to a BABY, when lets face it. The animal DOESN'T need it.
Excuse me for stepping in, as monitors are hardly an expertise of mine. But this statement begs the question of me. How does anyone know precisely what these animals NEED, nutritionally speaking? We can't even get scientists to agree on what HUMANS need to be perfectly nutritionally balanced, and we're the most studied creatures on the planet.
How can anyone make such definitive statements of fact about an animal that so little (relatively speaking) is understood about in the first place?
I get that different keepers will form their own opinions on what is "best"...but to take that opinion and turn it into a "factual point" worth making accusatory arguments about is kind of silly, to say the least.
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They decided to try human flesh for supper today.
First time, Littlefoot samples some skin..
http://www.varanusforums.com/bite/bite.jpg
Not wanting to be left out, Cera takes a bite to see what all the ruckus is about.
http://www.varanusforums.com/bite/bite1.jpg
http://www.varanusforums.com/bite/bite2.jpg
Thing is, Cera wanted to swallow, she was not about to give up.
http://www.varanusforums.com/bite/bite3.jpg
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Re: Introducing Littlefoot & Cera (Savannah Monitors)
Just to be curious what are the dimensions of the enclosure they are in?
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Originally Posted by ball python 22
Just to be curious what are the dimensions of the enclosure they are in?
8 feet wide x 4 feet deep x 4 feet tall.
Average humidity 80%, basking temp 147 degrees, ambient air temps 88-95 Degrees, soil temperature 76 degrees, and water bowl temp 89 degrees. (Love that temp gun)
Humidity inside burrows 95+% (maxed out the hygrometer)
http://www.varanus.us/cage/cage.jpg
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love the pics. Back ten years ago when i got my first savannah monitor he would stand on his hind legs all the time for food. they are very fun little beast. Hootinanny already knows that it's feeding time when he sees the big tweezers coming into the cage.
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They sure don't take their time growing, do they?
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ok they are adorable!! Kind of want one :) Great new pick ups and love the names!
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One word for that video. Instigator. LOL. They are really cute. How big do savys get?
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