Need Help: Black Pastel or Cinnamon???

Loki was sold to me as a Black Pastel, but I have my doubts. Could you folks please help a newb out in identifying if in fact he is a BP or Cinny? And what characteristics separate the two?

http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/1158/imag0869.jpg
http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/5098/imag0874x.jpg
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/4569/imag0872n.jpg

Thanks!
Papo

Looks like a black pastel to me, I look for pronounced "squiggles" in the alien heads.

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Originally Posted by Daybreaker

Looks like a black pastel to me, I look for pronounced "squiggles" in the alien heads.

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Thanks for the quick reply. Forgive my ignorance, but what exactly do you mean by "alien head"?

Thanks,
Papo

http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/...6/Untitled.jpg

See the arrow on the pic that is the alien head and I would agree it is a black pastel.

Very nice Black pastel.:gj:

Daybreaker, joebad976, and Emilio, thanks a bunch for your help! :banana:

That's a pretty black pastel :)

Definetly black pastel.

Totally a black pastel! A pretty one too.

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Yup, a nice looking black pastel, no doubt about it :gj:

I also purchased a female BP(Mella) which I have my doubts as well, she is currently in shed, but will be posting pics of her once she's done if you folks don't mind. :)

I agree it's a BP. I tend to like BP's that have alot of pattern that blends into the each other. Nice colors to yours.

I'm still kinda confused on what "defined squiggles" really are, could someone please post pics of both a BP and a Cinny and point out the difference? Sorry. :confused:

Here ya go
http://www.nextworldexotics.com/hgcin.htm

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Originally Posted by AGoldReptiles

Here ya go
http://www.nextworldexotics.com/hgcin.htm

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Perfect! I really appreciate this. :gj:

My girl is done shedding. She doesn't have the squiggles so I'm guessing she's a Cinny sold to me as a BP? :mad:

http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/2125/mella008.jpg
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/3262/mella006.jpg
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/6296/mella005.jpg

Thanks,
Papo

I would say no to the cinny. She looks black pastel. Yes she has squiggles and irregular shaped alien heads. Cinnys generally have very round loops. Good looking black pastel tho!


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The first snake is a black pastel for sure but the second snake, the girl, does look like more like a cinny. Who sold you the girl as a black pastel? Was it a reputable breeder that's known?

First post, I saw Black Pastel.
However, in this updated post, the snake looks more cinny. It may just be a lower quality Black Pastel though... It's hard to see the squiggles, but I think I sort of see some dark shading that could pass off as very light light squiggles??

My Black Pastel has a Jet black head and back w/ little blushing. I find that Cinnys have more blushing...

Can you get a closer shot at some of the alien heads?

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Originally Posted by Papo

My girl is done shedding. She doesn't have the squiggles so I'm guessing she's a Cinny sold to me as a BP? :mad:

http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/2125/mella008.jpg
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/3262/mella006.jpg
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/6296/mella005.jpg

Thanks,
Papo

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anyone else notice the huge smile face in the last pic?? haha. i have an 07 female cinny that looks just like that last picture. Well at least she was sold to me as a cinny. Ill take a picture of her next to my other cinnys when shes done with my blackback male cinny.

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Originally Posted by satomi325

First post, I saw Black Pastel.
However, in this updated post, the snake looks more cinny. It may just be a lower quality Black Pastel though... It's hard to see the squiggles, but I think I sort of see some dark shading that could pass off as very light light squiggles??

My Black Pastel has a Jet black head and back w/ little blushing. I find that Cinnys have more blushing...

Can you get a closer shot at some of the alien heads?

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It's two different snakes. I noticed that too so I compared the neck markings and stripe to be sure and re read the posts. Loki is a male (the first snake) which is the one that looks like a black pastel. The female is the second snake the OP posted and it looks like a cinnamon.


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That's disappointing. I'm trying to shoot for a Panda in the future, is there much of a difference when pairing BP w/ BP than BP w/ Cinny?

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Originally Posted by Foschi Exotic Serpents

It's two different snakes. I noticed that too so I compared the neck markings and stripe to be sure and re read the posts. Loki is a male (the first snake) which is the one that looks like a black pastel. The female is the second snake the OP posted and it looks like a cinnamon.


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I just noticed that they were two different snakes. haha
My bad!
I got confused for a little while wondering why the second snake looked different. I got the update post in my email and didn't realize it was an additional snake.

But yeah. I agree. I believe the first snake is a BP and the second is a cinny.

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That's disappointing. I'm trying to shoot for a Panda in the future, is there much of a difference when pairing BP w/ BP than BP w/ Cinny?

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I believe you can still get a Panda Pied.

A panda = Super Black Pastel Pied.

A cinny and a black pastel can make a super together. It will be a solid black/brown snake.
(Cinnyxcinny, BPxBP, BPxCinny are all compatible)

The first one is a Black Pastel!:snake:

It wouldn't matter if one was a cinny because they ate compatible and you still have the same shot at getting a black snake when they are bred together. You can still use them to breed into pieds for future pandas.


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will repost with better pic...