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  • 03-08-2012, 07:39 AM
    Salamander Rising
    Red 'cat' mites on my feeder mice!
    Ugh!

    I just discovered that my feeder mice have the red mites like you find on cats, rabbits and other mammals.

    I have a bottle of cat mite spray but if I treat the mice, won't it poison my snakes if they eat them?

    I know the mites can be drowned in plain water and am seriously considering 'bathing' my feeder mice and steam cleaning their aquarium.

    I know the mites aren't the kind that affect snakes but I don't want these things getting loose in my house...they bite dogs, pet rats and people, too!

    Would food grade diatomaceous earth kill them?
  • 03-08-2012, 08:47 AM
    DooLittle
    Re: Red 'cat' mites on my feeder mice!
    I wonder about the reptile relief spray from reptile basics? It says it doesn't use poisons, and is safe to use on the snakes itself. As well as cats and dogs for fleas. I read the description, but don't have my bottle here till Friday. I ordreded some just in case. Also ordered Pam and have on hand "just in case". I hope I don't ever have to go to war with those little butt holes, but I will be ready! Good luck!
  • 03-08-2012, 11:02 AM
    Salamander Rising
    Re: Red 'cat' mites on my feeder mice!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DrDooLittle View Post
    I wonder about the reptile relief spray from reptile basics? It says it doesn't use poisons, and is safe to use on the snakes itself. As well as cats and dogs for fleas. I read the description, but don't have my bottle here till Friday. I ordreded some just in case. Also ordered Pam and have on hand "just in case". I hope I don't ever have to go to war with those little butt holes, but I will be ready! Good luck!


    I'll see if the store has any of that and order it if they don't.

    Thanks for answering....:)
    [I was starting to think I was either invisible or persona non grata around here]
  • 03-08-2012, 12:28 PM
    Fila
    I am thinking about pretreating new feeder breeders with ivermectin as a mite preventative. From what I have read, for a rat you can put one drop behind the ears of the liquid or a rice size grain of the paste horse wormer orally for larger ones and half a piece of rice size orally for the smaller rats. Thought I would try it on a few and see how they do before treating the whole batch. Ivermectin can be given to snakes orally as a wormer, so what is not processed would be a safe amount for a snake I presume, at least safer than poisons. The ivermectin can also kill othert parasites, an additional bonus. Hopefully more people will chime in.
    *Fila*
  • 03-08-2012, 01:21 PM
    Salamander Rising
    Re: Red 'cat' mites on my feeder mice!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Fila View Post
    I am thinking about pretreating new feeder breeders with ivermectin as a mite preventative. From what I have read, for a rat you can put one drop behind the ears of the liquid or a rice size grain of the paste horse wormer orally for larger ones and half a piece of rice size orally for the smaller rats. Thought I would try it on a few and see how they do before treating the whole batch. Ivermectin can be given to snakes orally as a wormer, so what is not processed would be a safe amount for a snake I presume, at least safer than poisons. The ivermectin can also kill othert parasites, an additional bonus. Hopefully more people will chime in.
    *Fila*

    I've heard of large doses of oral Ivermectin being used for sarcoptic mange mites but have never heard of it being used topically for other ectoparasites.

    I'll have to check that out.

    Thanks.

    I'm hoping my local store will have this stuff today:

    http://www.petco.com/product/109610/...ile-Spray.aspx

    Right now, I'm sitting here imagining that they're walking on me.
    [I'm one of those people who only has to see a flea/tick/mite to start getting twitchy!]

    :O
  • 03-08-2012, 02:04 PM
    Fila
    I am a vet tech and ivermectin is useful for all types of mites, and so cheap it would be worth it to me to try it, esp since it should be safe for my snake. Oral is how I would go, as that way the mites cannot hide. I presume even putting it on the back of the head they still groom and get internally. Another thing, mites eggs are not killed with ivermectin, so it would need to be repeated maybe twice I assume. I hope someone more versed on this will pipe in.
    *Fila*
  • 03-08-2012, 02:38 PM
    Salamander Rising
    Re: Red 'cat' mites on my feeder mice!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Fila View Post
    I am a vet tech and ivermectin is useful for all types of mites, and so cheap it would be worth it to me to try it, esp since it should be safe for my snake. Oral is how I would go, as that way the mites cannot hide. I presume even putting it on the back of the head they still groom and get internally. Another thing, mites eggs are not killed with ivermectin, so it would need to be repeated maybe twice I assume. I hope someone more versed on this will pipe in.
    *Fila*

    Sure beats trying to give baths to angry little mice......:D
  • 03-08-2012, 02:51 PM
    RichsBallPythons
    Are you sure its Red Spider Mites or wood mites.

    Wood mites Will hitch on living warm blooded animals, but rarely cause them any problems unless badly infested.

    If you breed rodents, you should be treating their cage weekly to stop the out break of wood mites that rats get
  • 03-08-2012, 07:47 PM
    Rhasputin
    Do not use oral ivermectin for mites on rodents. Do not get your mice wet either.

    Topical ivermectin is widely used and accepted for mites on mice, eats, and other rodents.

    The type of ivermectin you want is any brand that is 5mg ivermectin per ml. This should be a 'ivermectin pour on treatment for cattle' the other species like sheep, use a higher dosage which can kill your animals. Brand doesn't matter as long as the dosage is right. Then you dilute it 4-5 parts water to 1 part iver on, and spray your mice and bedding, or take an eye-dropper and put a drop of the mixture on each mouse between the shoulders. Shake before each use.

    This is the best way to treat your mice or other rodents for mites.
    The solution kills virtually all parasites internal and eternal, and should be repeated every 2 days (for a bad case) or once every week for a mild infestation.

    Furthermore you can use the spray as a preventative treatment once a month to prevent new infestations from occurring.


    Please feel free to PM me for more info, we just had several extremely lengthy discussions about this very topic on some of the mouse forums!



    EDIT: That spray you linked to is EXPENSIVE, don't buy it. A small 250ml bottle of durvet ivermectin is less than $10 and you dilute it 4 parts water to 1 part meds, so it lasts forever.

    Diatomaceous earth will not rid you of your mite problem, but can help. You can sprinkle it in the bedding if it makes you feel better, but with the ivermectin it shouldn't be a problem.
  • 03-08-2012, 07:57 PM
    RichsBallPythons
    I currently Use The lice bedding spray for the Mites i get from my bedding that get on the rats. Its worked well, all i do is spray the bare tub, toss in the clean bedding and thats it. Once a week is all i do and the number of Mites drop.

    Most mites on rats are adults, since baby mites are clear and almost invisible to human eye. In the winter time I leave my bedding outside to freeze to kill off any living mites, this way the spray works better on newly hatched mites.

    Theres many ways to treat this, you can even use Provent a Mite but thats expensive for this.
  • 03-08-2012, 08:00 PM
    RichsBallPythons
    Re: Red 'cat' mites on my feeder mice!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Rhasputin View Post
    Do not use oral ivermectin for mites on rodents. Do not get your mice wet either.

    Topical ivermectin is widely used and accepted for mites on mice, eats, and other rodents.

    The type of ivermectin you want is any brand that is 5mg ivermectin per ml. This should be a 'ivermectin pour on treatment for cattle' the other species like sheep, use a higher dosage which can kill your animals. Brand doesn't matter as long as the dosage is right. Then you dilute it 4-5 parts water to 1 part iver on, and spray your mice and bedding, or take an eye-dropper and put a drop of the mixture on each mouse between the shoulders. Shake before each use.

    This is the best way to treat your mice or other rodents for mites.
    The solution kills virtually all parasites internal and eternal, and should be repeated every 2 days (for a bad case) or once every week for a mild infestation.

    Furthermore you can use the spray as a preventative treatment once a month to prevent new infestations from occurring.


    Please feel free to PM me for more info, we just had several extremely lengthy discussions about this very topic on some of the mouse forums!



    EDIT: That spray you linked to is EXPENSIVE, don't buy it. A small 250ml bottle of durvet ivermectin is less than $10 and you dilute it 4 parts water to 1 part meds, so it lasts forever.

    Diatomaceous earth will not rid you of your mite problem, but can help. You can sprinkle it in the bedding if it makes you feel better, but with the ivermectin it shouldn't be a problem.


    Can you post a picture of the stuff you use. Every bottle of ivermectin ive seen was 20-30$ for a gallon and nothing smaller.

    The bedding spray i use is nice, but adds up doing it weekly. id like something I can dilute and last longer.

    When you use it, How do you apply it, on tbe bare tub, bedding. Do you let dry before adding rats back, so on.
  • 03-08-2012, 09:15 PM
    Fila
    Re: Red 'cat' mites on my feeder mice!
    What are the risks associated with the oral ivermectin? I have five bottles of the injectable 1% right now, got a good deal and use it for many farm animals. I have read where it can cause some reproductive failures. Also, how long does the pour on ivermectin stay viable once mixed with water? I would love the address or link to the mouse forum where this was discussed :)

    *Fila*

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Rhasputin View Post
    Do not use oral ivermectin for mites on rodents. Do not get your mice wet either.

    Topical ivermectin is widely used and accepted for mites on mice, eats, and other rodents.

    The type of ivermectin you want is any brand that is 5mg ivermectin per ml. This should be a 'ivermectin pour on treatment for cattle' the other species like sheep, use a higher dosage which can kill your animals. Brand doesn't matter as long as the dosage is right. Then you dilute it 4-5 parts water to 1 part iver on, and spray your mice and bedding, or take an eye-dropper and put a drop of the mixture on each mouse between the shoulders. Shake before each use.

    This is the best way to treat your mice or other rodents for mites.
    The solution kills virtually all parasites internal and eternal, and should be repeated every 2 days (for a bad case) or once every week for a mild infestation.

    Furthermore you can use the spray as a preventative treatment once a month to prevent new infestations from occurring.


    Please feel free to PM me for more info, we just had several extremely lengthy discussions about this very topic on some of the mouse forums!



    EDIT: That spray you linked to is EXPENSIVE, don't buy it. A small 250ml bottle of durvet ivermectin is less than $10 and you dilute it 4 parts water to 1 part meds, so it lasts forever.

    Diatomaceous earth will not rid you of your mite problem, but can help. You can sprinkle it in the bedding if it makes you feel better, but with the ivermectin it shouldn't be a problem.

  • 03-08-2012, 10:03 PM
    Rhasputin
    The pour on stuff stays viable as long as the bottle says, even when mied with water. you just need to shake it well before using it to mi it back up.


    Here's a link to a 250ml bottle of durvet http://tinyurl.com/durvet I was mistaken, it's just above $10, not just under. This stuff is really the safest way to go, there are studies online that you can look up showing how it affects rodents and how safe it is, etc etc, it's recomended by many vets, and is approved of for use on even pinky mice. :)


    Here's a link to some of the online discussion: http://www.fancymicebreeders.com/php...p?f=17&t=10002
  • 03-09-2012, 12:37 AM
    sniper
    Re: Red 'cat' mites on my feeder mice!
    what you can use is bedding spray like the one for lice(almost the same bug) spray down the bedding that you will be useing. let it dry for about two hours and do it in a paper bag. then change the bedding for the mice and that way your snake won't get mites and it won't gt possioned either.
    it may take more that one treatment. you can also use camp spray that is used for clothes and the tent screrans. i use it once a month in the summer and use it on the bark for the snake and no health problems.
    good luck
  • 03-09-2012, 01:08 AM
    Salamander Rising
    Re: Red 'cat' mites on my feeder mice!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by sniper View Post
    what you can use is bedding spray like the one for lice(almost the same bug) spray down the bedding that you will be useing. let it dry for about two hours and do it in a paper bag. then change the bedding for the mice and that way your snake won't get mites and it won't gt possioned either.
    it may take more that one treatment. you can also use camp spray that is used for clothes and the tent screrans. i use it once a month in the summer and use it on the bark for the snake and no health problems.
    good luck

    I bought the spray.

    It wasn't much.

    Also talked to the local herp dude and he told me to buy a cheap flea collar, open the bag, activate it and lay in the general area of the mouse houses.

    Swears by it and showed me his in his store and he has no ectoparasites at all.
  • 03-09-2012, 02:12 AM
    RichsBallPythons
    Theres no need to worry about these mites bothering reptiles, So get that thinking out the window now.

    I do use a Flea/Tick Collar that I have hanging on each level of my rodent racks. It works very well keeping bugs away and slowly kills the mites. The bedding spray i use works just as well, I spray the bare tub and dont wait for it to dry and then toss in the bedding. By time the bedding gets tossed from the rodents, itll be dry. I just dont feed live for 2 days after treatment.

    Only place i found that had the pour on stuff under 25$ locally is here. Everyplace else was 39-49 for it.

    https://www.familyfarmandhome.com/in...ineline=003024

    Dont show a picture but its all the same thing, just different packaging im sure.

    Whats the acutual dosage for this stuff, From reading its done by drops behind the ears, and cant find where it suggests mixing it into spray bottle
  • 03-09-2012, 05:38 AM
    Salamander Rising
    Re: Red 'cat' mites on my feeder mice!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by RichsBallPythons View Post
    Theres no need to worry about these mites bothering reptiles, So get that thinking out the window now.

    I do use a Flea/Tick Collar that I have hanging on each level of my rodent racks. It works very well keeping bugs away and slowly kills the mites. The bedding spray i use works just as well, I spray the bare tub and dont wait for it to dry and then toss in the bedding. By time the bedding gets tossed from the rodents, itll be dry. I just dont feed live for 2 days after treatment.

    Only place i found that had the pour on stuff under 25$ locally is here. Everyplace else was 39-49 for it.

    https://www.familyfarmandhome.com/in...ineline=003024

    Dont show a picture but its all the same thing, just different packaging im sure.

    Whats the acutual dosage for this stuff, From reading its done by drops behind the ears, and cant find where it suggests mixing it into spray bottle

    It's not the snakes I'm worried about...it's ME.....:D

    I hate creepy little blood sucking things walking on me.

    I'm also worried for my pet rats and my dogs.

    I know those tiny red demons will chomp on them if they get half a chance.

    I just dont feed live for 2 days after treatment.

    And that right there is what I really needed to know...thanks Rich!
    You've rode to the rescue, yet again...:)

    We have a Tractor & Supply locally and they only have injectable Ivermection in stock for some reason.
    Back when they were "Farm & Family" they had a much larger selection of meds.

    I rarely had to take my rats to the vet because they had everything I needed to fix their inevitable RIs.
    [the bane of rodents, everywhere]

    The mouse aquariums are being dragged outside tomorrow and cleaned.
    Ain't no way I'm shaking those infested shavings around inside the house.
    I'll probably be wearing nitrile gloves, too, so they don't walk on me.....LOL

    http://www.animalshelter.org.uk/images/bug_animated.gifhttp://www.animalshelter.org.uk/images/bug_animated.gifhttp://www.animalshelter.org.uk/images/bug_animated.gifhttp://www.animalshelter.org.uk/images/bug_animated.gifhttp://www.animalshelter.org.uk/images/bug_animated.gif
  • 03-09-2012, 10:42 AM
    Rhasputin
    The mites will bite everything, but can only live on rodents.

    If you have them on your mice, they will almost certainly be on our rats as well.
    They'll bite you too, but they'll die on you.


    I don't know about the flea collar stuff. I have no idea how that medications would affect the rodents, or the reptiles.
  • 03-09-2012, 10:49 AM
    RichsBallPythons
    Re: Red 'cat' mites on my feeder mice!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Rhasputin View Post
    The mites will bite everything, but can only live on rodents.

    If you have them on your mice, they will almost certainly be on our rats as well.
    They'll bite you too, but they'll die on you.


    I don't know about the flea collar stuff. I have no idea how that medications would affect the rodents, or the reptiles.

    The collar wont affect them at all, as they arent in direct contact with it. Hell cats and dogs have them on their necks no problems. But i dont see anyone putting them or rodents.

    The red spider mites yes will bite, But most mites on rats/mice from bedding wont bite us. I have a wood mite problem from the bedding i buy, But when i treat with the bedding spray it kills them off well. Just need find something thats cheaper long run.
  • 03-09-2012, 10:57 AM
    RichsBallPythons
    Heres wood mites that can come in on cyprus,aspen,pine and so on. There harmless to snakes as they want warm hosts like your rodents,cat,dog. They rarely casue problems to the animals so long as there is wood for them.

    http://i43.tinypic.com/35mfuom.jpg
  • 03-09-2012, 12:05 PM
    Rhasputin
    Yeah I have wood mites in my savanna monitor enclosure. They're irritaing to look at, but they don't hurt anything. :(


    Little red mites could be tropical rat mites, which are the most common mite to be on rodents.
  • 03-09-2012, 12:07 PM
    RichsBallPythons
    Re: Red 'cat' mites on my feeder mice!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Rhasputin View Post
    Yeah I have wood mites in my savanna monitor enclosure. They're irritaing to look at, but they don't hurt anything. :(


    Little red mites could be tropical rat mites, which are the most common mite to be on rodents.

    Tropical ones bite, And thankfully mine arent that. Considering i spend 80% of my time next to my rodents I never get bit, nor does anyone in the house even my cat who sleeps under the rodent racks.
  • 03-09-2012, 12:30 PM
    Rhasputin
    I meant that the OP might have tropical rat mites. They are tiny, black, brown, red, or white (depending on growth stage, and when they last fed).



    I hate tropical rat mites. How does something SO SMALL hurt so much when it bites! :confused:
  • 03-09-2012, 01:03 PM
    snake lab
    Have ya ever dealt with chiggers? Those lil bugs tear ya up
  • 03-09-2012, 01:22 PM
    Spyderco1116
    Re: Red 'cat' mites on my feeder mice!
  • 03-09-2012, 01:24 PM
    RichsBallPythons
    I dont think Black Knight is sold anymore as many places that did sell it, dropped it from their inventory
  • 03-09-2012, 01:45 PM
    Spyderco1116
    Re: Red 'cat' mites on my feeder mice!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by RichsBallPythons View Post
    I dont think Black Knight is sold anymore as many places that did sell it, dropped it from their inventory

    I wouldn't use the BK anyway. I posted that more for the ProvaMite. I should have said that I guess. See what I'm saying? :gj:
  • 03-09-2012, 09:31 PM
    SlitherinSisters
    Don't ever use treatment on your rodents, you never know what kind of effect it will have on the snake that ingests the treated rodent. Spraying the tub/tank the rodents are in would be about the only thing I would feel comfortable with, and I would use PAM for that since it's safe to spray in the snake tubs as well.

    Are you breeding the mice yourself, or just keeping them until your snake eats them? Do you have a lot? If you don't have a big colony, I would just feed them all off. Clean everything out really good, and get some new stock. I have some flea spray for the house I got from the vet that I use during flea season in areas the cats/dogs spend a lot of time in. The spray kills mites as well, I would get something like that and spray it in the area the mice where in. Just make sure you get the snakes far away from any fumes from the spray. I usually go room by room, close the door, and wait 2 hours before letting the animals back in.
  • 03-10-2012, 12:22 PM
    Rhasputin
    Re: Red 'cat' mites on my feeder mice!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SlitherinSisters View Post
    Don't ever use treatment on your rodents, you never know what kind of effect it will have on the snake that ingests the treated rodent. Spraying the tub/tank the rodents are in would be about the only thing I would feel comfortable with, and I would use PAM for that since it's safe to spray in the snake tubs as well.

    Are you breeding the mice yourself, or just keeping them until your snake eats them? Do you have a lot? If you don't have a big colony, I would just feed them all off. Clean everything out really good, and get some new stock. I have some flea spray for the house I got from the vet that I use during flea season in areas the cats/dogs spend a lot of time in. The spray kills mites as well, I would get something like that and spray it in the area the mice where in. Just make sure you get the snakes far away from any fumes from the spray. I usually go room by room, close the door, and wait 2 hours before letting the animals back in.


    Treating the tank and bedding is still treating the rodents. They come into contact with the chemicals that you've sprayed. That's why it's effective, because it gets on the mice, and they are treated.
  • 03-10-2012, 12:27 PM
    RichsBallPythons
    Which is why i dont feed live out of the racks for 2 days after treatment This way the chemical is dry and wont harm the snake
  • 03-10-2012, 01:48 PM
    Salamander Rising
    Re: Red 'cat' mites on my feeder mice!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Rhasputin View Post
    I meant that the OP might have tropical rat mites. They are tiny, black, brown, red, or white (depending on growth stage, and when they last fed).



    I hate tropical rat mites. How does something SO SMALL hurt so much when it bites! :confused:

    It's funny that they showed up after I bought a bale of aspen shavings at PetCo.

    I haven't see any in the snakes' enclosures but the poor mice are full of them.

    The mice and my pet rats got sprayed last night and have a flea collar hanging above their house, now.

    If they bite me, it looks like a hornet stung me.
    I must be really sensitive to stuff like that.
  • 03-10-2012, 01:50 PM
    Salamander Rising
    Re: Red 'cat' mites on my feeder mice!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by snake lab View Post
    Have ya ever dealt with chiggers? Those lil bugs tear ya up

    OMG...don't even mention chiggers.

    When I was a little kid my dad would take me blackberry picking and chiggers love living in blackberry thickets.
  • 03-10-2012, 01:54 PM
    Salamander Rising
    Re: Red 'cat' mites on my feeder mice!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Spyderco1116 View Post

    I reckon I should get a can of prevent-a-mite just to have on hand.
  • 03-10-2012, 02:04 PM
    Salamander Rising
    Re: Red 'cat' mites on my feeder mice!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SlitherinSisters View Post
    Don't ever use treatment on your rodents, you never know what kind of effect it will have on the snake that ingests the treated rodent. Spraying the tub/tank the rodents are in would be about the only thing I would feel comfortable with, and I would use PAM for that since it's safe to spray in the snake tubs as well.

    Are you breeding the mice yourself, or just keeping them until your snake eats them? Do you have a lot? If you don't have a big colony, I would just feed them all off. Clean everything out really good, and get some new stock. I have some flea spray for the house I got from the vet that I use during flea season in areas the cats/dogs spend a lot of time in. The spray kills mites as well, I would get something like that and spray it in the area the mice where in. Just make sure you get the snakes far away from any fumes from the spray. I usually go room by room, close the door, and wait 2 hours before letting the animals back in.

    I got some all natural, non-toxic stuff from PetCo last night.

    There's 3 mice affected.

    I don't breed or maintain a "colony", they're just food for the two thick heads who refuse F/T.

    I'd love to feed them off but the one snake is on a hunger strike and the other is being treated for an RI and isn't in the mood to eat yet.

    I could just turn them loose in the smokehouse and they could live with the field mice who hang out in there, sneak-eating my goat feed.
    [or I could feed them to Leah who'll happily eat live or F/T without getting "stuck"]

    I'm thinking it's the new shavings.

    My other aquarium of pet mice has no mites but they're on the old aspen bedding I bought a bag of several months ago.

    What's the name of the flea spray you use?

    I have to be really careful because Ibizan Hounds are terribly sensitive to chemicals and most flea sprays are totally forbidden for them.
  • 03-10-2012, 02:13 PM
    Salamander Rising
    Re: Red 'cat' mites on my feeder mice!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by RichsBallPythons View Post
    Which is why i dont feed live out of the racks for 2 days after treatment This way the chemical is dry and wont harm the snake

    I did exactly what you told me to.

    I scrubbed their tub, put in new shavings, sprayed he shavings, shook them around to coat them and then let them dry and returned the mice.

    After about 15 minutes of the mice fluffling around through the new bedding, I could see the mites actually emerging and sitting on top of their fur, as though they were being 'driven out by' or "escaping from" something....the spray, I assume.

    I expect that means it's working.
    If they crawl off the mice, they're just going to fall int the treated bedding so either way, they're doomed.

    I don't plan to feed those mice to anybody for at least a week and only after they've been on new bedding for a few days.
  • 03-10-2012, 03:20 PM
    RichsBallPythons
    Yes, My mite problem isnt that bad, I didnt notice them till I was feeding frozen and seen them on the frozen rats.

    The mites your getting from aspen shouldn't be biting you at all, as its basically same ones i got from the pine and they dont bite me. I noticed the mites started to reduce in numbers after 3 weeks of treating.

    Just dont freak out over it if your rodents arent. If the rats and mice were getting bald spots cause of it then its time to work harder getting rid of em.


    What spray are you using.
  • 03-10-2012, 03:58 PM
    Salamander Rising
    Re: Red 'cat' mites on my feeder mice!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by RichsBallPythons View Post
    Yes, My mite problem isnt that bad, I didnt notice them till I was feeding frozen and seen them on the frozen rats.

    The mites your getting from aspen shouldn't be biting you at all, as its basically same ones i got from the pine and they dont bite me. I noticed the mites started to reduce in numbers after 3 weeks of treating.

    Just dont freak out over it if your rodents arent. If the rats and mice were getting bald spots cause of it then its time to work harder getting rid of em.
    What spray are you using.

    This stuff:
    http://www.petco.com/product/109610/...ile-Spray.aspx

    I'll freak out, anyway.
    If I even see a tick, flea or mite I start thinking I can feel them walking on me....LOL
  • 03-10-2012, 04:01 PM
    RichsBallPythons
    Im not too sure that spray will work well on the mites. But that stuff is non toxic to snakes so you could feed same day you treated with that stuff.


    You need to buy a can of Lice bedding spray. Small can at walmart is $5, treat same way you did with the abvoe spray, but this time dont feed for few days.

    The spray you bought Contains no pyrethrins, which is an ingredient needed to kill a lot of pest insects. Used correctly and its harmless
  • 03-10-2012, 05:59 PM
    Salamander Rising
    Re: Red 'cat' mites on my feeder mice!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by RichsBallPythons View Post
    Im not too sure that spray will work well on the mites. But that stuff is non toxic to snakes so you could feed same day you treated with that stuff.


    You need to buy a can of Lice bedding spray. Small can at walmart is $5, treat same way you did with the abvoe spray, but this time dont feed for few days.

    The spray you bought Contains no pyrethrins, which is an ingredient needed to kill a lot of pest insects. Used correctly and its harmless

    Can't use any pyrethrins because of the Ibizan Hounds.
    Sight Hounds can't abide that stuff and a lot of other normally harmless chemicals....:(

    What is lice bedding spray?

    Which department would it be in?

    I also have a very small piece of Hartz flea collar taped inside of their tub.

    If all else fails, I'll wait a week and feed them to Leah and start over.
  • 03-10-2012, 06:01 PM
    RichsBallPythons
    Re: Red 'cat' mites on my feeder mice!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Salamander View Post
    Can't use any pyrethrins because of the Ibizan Hounds.
    Sight Hounds can't abide that stuff and a lot of other normally harmless chemicals....:(

    What is lice bedding spray?

    Which department would it be in?

    I also have a very small piece of Hartz flea collar taped inside of their tub.

    If all else fails, I'll wait a week and feed them to Leah and start over.

    Keep the dog away for few days from that room. Also dont have the collar inside the tub, The mice/rats will chew it and end up dead, keep it outside to stop the spread from one tub to the next.

    The lice spray is found at pharmacies in first aid usually
  • 03-10-2012, 08:20 PM
    Salamander Rising
    Re: Red 'cat' mites on my feeder mice!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by RichsBallPythons View Post
    Keep the dog away for few days from that room. Also dont have the collar inside the tub, The mice/rats will chew it and end up dead, keep it outside to stop the spread from one tub to the next.

    The lice spray is found at pharmacies in first aid usually

    I'm not being clear...there can't be any pyrethrins used in the house.
    None.
    The air in one room will go everywhere else and the dogs have no choice but to go through part of that room to get outside.
    Three mice aren't worth the welfare of my dogs.

    The small collar piece is completely unreachable unless the mice build an 18" ladder.
    It's taped to the lid of the tall tub.
    The rest of it is hanging in the snake room way up above everything.

    I'll check out the spray.

    Thanks...:)
  • 03-10-2012, 09:14 PM
    Rhasputin
    If they're biting you, and came out of bedding, it's probably tropical rat mites. It's extremely common for them to hide in bedding, and end up in homes and pet shops. The pet shop you were in probably has them there as well (and will likely not notice, or do anything about it if they do)


    Is Ivermectin a pyrethrin? If not, then I highly recommend it as your product of choice. It's over-all safe and is used by people who have feeder rats and mice. I would wait 1 week after treating before feeding anything, just to be safe.
  • 03-10-2012, 09:21 PM
    RichsBallPythons
    IF your that worried about the mites from 3 mice. Feed them off. Toss out the bedding and sanitize the tubs/cage with HOT water.

    Then get new mice/rats and start over. If you plan on breeding rodents you have to be prepared for mites no matter who you are, Cause it will happen.
  • 03-10-2012, 09:23 PM
    Fila
    Ivermectin is not a pyrethrin according to my vet. It can be placed on the shoulder blades of the mice by the drop, further reducing air emissions. It is one of the most popular ingredients in Heartworm medications, Heartguard and Iverhart are the ones we sell. Ivermectin can be used on and in your snake for worming him and treating ticks and mites. It has to be safer than anything else for your snakes since it can be used to treat them as well. Collies and breeds related to Collie types are the only contraindications for using ivermectin in dogs. Just my opinion your mileage may vary :) Ivermectin can also treat some internal parasites that rodents can have, another bonus.
    *Fila*
  • 03-10-2012, 09:27 PM
    RichsBallPythons
    Re: Red 'cat' mites on my feeder mice!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Fila View Post
    Ivermectin is not a pyrethrin according to my vet. It can be placed on the shoulder blades of the mice by the drop, further reducing air emissions. It is one of the most popular ingredients in Heartworm medications, Heartguard and Iverhart are the ones we sell. Ivermectin can be used on and in your snake for worming him and treating ticks and mites. It has to be safer than anything else for your snakes since it can be used to treat them as well. Collies and breeds related to Collie types are the only contraindications for using ivermectin in dogs. Just my opinion your mileage may vary :) Ivermectin can also treat some internal parasites that rodents can have, another bonus.
    *Fila*

    Pets,cattle and so on yes you can put it on directly, But rodents your going ot be feeding you dont want it directly on them. The bedding is fine as the wood will absorb it enough to keep it off them 100% but enough to kill the mites.
  • 03-10-2012, 09:55 PM
    Rhasputin
    Re: Red 'cat' mites on my feeder mice!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by RichsBallPythons View Post
    Pets,cattle and so on yes you can put it on directly, But rodents your going ot be feeding you dont want it directly on them. The bedding is fine as the wood will absorb it enough to keep it off them 100% but enough to kill the mites.



    Direct contact and ingestion is inevitable. It's part of the treatment process. Whether the bedding has been sprayed, or the mice directly (if treating mice directly the solution needs to be diluted with water) I can nearly guarantee it won't harm your snakes, especially if you wait 1-2 weeks after treatment stops, to feed them.
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