BALL PYTHON EYE CANDY!!!! (Big pics!)

http://newenglandreptile.com/webpics/EyeCandy5.jpg
http://newenglandreptile.com/webpics/eyecandy6.jpg

Enjoy!!

K

You're so lucky that you get to work with those on a regular basis! Those are some sweet pics, and amazing balls. I'm in Maine, I should head down there some time. Hehe, how do you decide what is part of your personal collection, and what is part of the business? Must be tough!

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Hehe, how do you decide what is part of your personal collection, and what is part of the business? Must be tough!

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Well, first and foremost we decide what is going to become a part of our breeding stock and what we're going to sell - and that's all based upon our upcoming projects as well as the demand for various animals. All of the animals in those pictures are part of the NERD collection.

I try not to add animals to my own private collection - which I maintain outside of the work I do at NERD - very often, as I try to keep that group under 100 animals so it stays manageable. But that's a lot harder than it seems sometimes, as there are certain animals I find irresistable. ;)

K

You are lucky indeed...I would absolutely LOVE to get my hand on some of those beauties! Alas...my bank account says "No way kid!"

Great work...keep it up...and keep sending the pics! :)

I love NERD Balls! :shock: (That sounded strange!)
Anyways......I've never been very wild about Spiders, but some of those combos are SAWEET! Is that a Carmel Spider?
http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/data/23654candy1.JPG
I can feel the Darkside creeping in! The Force of The Spider is powerful, young Jedi Princess!
:D

That's actually an Orange Ghost Spider (I'm thinking of calling them HoneyBee Spiders, since we already have Bumble Bees, Killer Bees and Wanna Bees). They DO look like little Caramels when they hatch though - just very pretty snakes!

You know what's funny? I wasn't really into the whole ball python thing until Kevin handed me a Spider -they have SUCH outgoing personalities, I think it's genetic, that are quite unlike many ball pythons I've seen. And they EAT like RETICS!! I'm amazed they don't get 20' long! ;) LOL!

K

Well we're certainly glad that you got into bp's. They're great pets, and almost always docile. I like them enough to base a whole site off them! LOL, they're pretty nice in all shapes and colors.

wow awsome snakes,how did i not see these before?Do you have many problems shipping to canada-i plan to get some pied,or het pieds someday,and corey here is a bit out of my price range i think.

Wooaaaoo!!!!!1 :shock:
that is a great pic. I love the contrast of each pattern of the snakes in those two pictures. But what really makes me crazy is the pied bp, because if it wasn't because it's to expensive for my budget :x I would have a pair of those beaties :wink:
Jesús

wow those are some sweet snakes
i'll trade you some spiders for............................................................................. .......uhhhhhhhhhhhhh
i don't know just give me one
the pimp_n_python spider charity fund.
its a worthy cause

OMG.. someone has some BIG and Beautiful balls ;).. sorry mind in gutter.

Yeah, thats some beautiful herps ;) Any of them lookin for good homes? ;)

-Chris

I have 2 words.... WOW.




(see, such great pics i forgot how to count.)

Great ball's afire....... I second Wizill......WOW!!

Hey,
Nice bucket o' snakes..lol
Oh, I also wanted to say nice article in the paper, Great quotes from Kevin, It's nice to see positive herp news spread through the media
Thanks
Rusty

Dang, but that's a bunch of mighty purty pythons.

Not sure whether it's more of a comment on the price of the color morphs, or our debt load, but I'm betting that one of those two boxes would pay off everything we owe.

Of course, I see people driving around in pretentious vehicles that cost more than my total debt load, too.

Wizill, sorry to break it to you, but WOW is on eworkd ;)

Hehe.. I'm just messin with ya, buddy :lol:

BEAUTIFUL batches of snakes by the way. Actually, that's an understatement. :shock:

Those are very nice looking.

Look at em all! packed in there like a morph support group!

I just wandered over here to the very quiet morph page today and saw these pics for the first time. I'm stunned speachless....although I shouldn't be surprised because I've spent a lot of time at NERD's website browsing through your amzing collection. Still.....seeing so many of those beauties piled all together like that just does something to ya.....

I'm so envious, Kara...as I know most ball lovers are! I thought we were going to move to Rhode Island this coming summer and I was so excited and already planning a trip to visit your fascilities....but the Air Force decided we're going to Alabama instead. :cry:

One of these days though........

Thanks for sharing those pics. Judging by the date on them, it's been awhile...bring on some more!

https://ball-pythons.net/albums/albu...ndy6.sized.jpg

Hehe! Very cool. I love the Apple Albino and the Nuclear Spider!

ha ha, i thought that pic was cool. I enhanced it with photoshop

I LOVE the pied.

WOW! I completely missed this thread! What gorgeous creatures!

I am toooooooo jealous :) keep em coming....please!!!!

I hope those went through the proper quarentine process - :lol: :)

The pied is too kewl (I think that's my favorite morph)! Actually, they're all amazing! :D

Beautiful!!!!!!!!!

Hmm, those are some beautiful snakes but the prices on them are unbelieveable.
I dont understand why an albino burmese costs $200 and an albino ball costs $2000, I think the only reason they sell them for so much is because theres actually people insane enough to pay the price, I think we should all go on strike and not buy morphs till the prices are lowered! :D

Actually, they sell them for that much because they are still new. Albino burms have been around for a pretty long time, and albino balls have only been around for a few years. And... they sell them for that much because... well.. They can. :)

Well I can sell my used underwear for $2000 dollars, doesn't mean people should or will buy them ...
So, do you think anytime in the near future albino ball pythons will get cheaper?
I would truely love to own one, but to do so I'd have to miss two rent payments, my albino and I would be living on the street.

Why do people pay such insane prices, we should all stike until prices are lowered!

LoL, maybe new undies? They might get cheaper, but we'll just have to wait it out until it does. I know what you mean, I could sell my car and that might be one payment...and then I would have to have 15 jobs and then maybe I could afford one... :)

I know what ya mean, I love albinos but I could never afford one, I also love Pieds but also can't afford those. :(

Exactly the majority of the snake lovers like us can't afford one of those beautiful snakes.
If the beeders truely loved the snakes, they wouldn't be selling them for profit.
Yet alone such a gigantic profit that true snake lovers can't afford to buy.

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Exactly the majority of the snake lovers like us can't afford one of those beautiful snakes.
If the beeders truely loved the snakes, they wouldn't be selling them for profit.
Yet alone such a gigantic profit that true snake lovers can't afford to buy.

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You're out of your mind if you don't think we truly love these animals. You have no idea the amount of work that goes into keeping herps on a large scale. We're very lucky that some of these are investment-quality animals - much like a show dog or a show horse, and that we're able to make a living doing what we love - raising reptiles. If you think that breeders make HUGE profit margins, you're absolutely WRONG. There is a lot of overhead that goes into keeping this many animals, paying employees, utilities, caging, feeding etc. Prices will eventually come down - that is how supply and demand works. In the mean time, prices are high because it takes a lot of risk to import & develop new bloodlines & projects, and there are quite a few folks out there who view these not only as awesome animals to work with, but an investment opportunity as well.


K

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Originally Posted by Blink

Hmm, those are some beautiful snakes but the prices on them are unbelieveable.
I dont understand why an albino burmese costs $200 and an albino ball costs $2000, I think the only reason they sell them for so much is because theres actually people insane enough to pay the price, I think we should all go on strike and not buy morphs till the prices are lowered! :D

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Ok...so are you also going to go on strike until the price of the 52" plasma TV isn't $3000? I mean, a regular rear-projection 52" TV is only $1200, so the folks with the plasma technology just must be greedy, right?

What about the Mercedes SL600 Roadster? Heck, I'd love to have one of those, but am not about to pay $128,220.00 for it. In fact, I may even go on strike - I'm sure Mercedes-Benz is really going to suffer for the lack of me (and several other people, I'd bet) not buying their cars. Right?

WRONG.

It's partially about supply and demand. Albino Burms have been on the market for almost 2 decades. These snakes are very easy to breed & throw HUGE clutches of eggs - sometimes 80 or more. So it's pretty darn easy to create a supply that meets the demand for these animals. In fact, there's not a giant demand for 20' snakes that cost a fortune to house & feed - check your local SPCA or reptile rescue & you're sure to find at least a couple.

Albino balls haven't been in the herp trade nearly as long as albino Burms. Ball pythons average 4-5 eggs a clutch & aren't quite as easy to breed as Burmese pythons. There is also a HUGE demand for albino balls - they're beautiful, popular, easy to keep, did I mention beautiful (?), and a perfect and manageable size for most people. Right now, there aren't as many albino balls being produced as there are people who want one - hence the price remains high. In a few years, the price will come down - I mean hey, it's already come down from $10,000 a few years ago.

If you want something new & different & cool, earn it. Don't sit around & gripe and say the pricing is unfair - that just looks like sour grapes.

Just my $.02

K

Very well said Kara
Rusty

Yes, well said Kara. And I look forward very much to the day I can afford a nice bp morph (someday after I pay off my loans for my master's program) and I know it will be worth every penny.

A lot of people don't realize the investment that goes into producing these beautiful animals. There's a lot more to it than putting a couple of cool-looking snakes that you happen to have lying around into the same enclosure and ending up with babies several months down the road.

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Hmm, those are some beautiful snakes but the prices on them are unbelieveable.
I dont understand why an albino burmese costs $200 and an albino ball costs $2000, I think the only reason they sell them for so much is because theres actually people insane enough to pay the price, I think we should all go on strike and not buy morphs till the prices are lowered! :D

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Ok...so are you also going to go on strike until the price of the 52" plasma TV isn't $3000? I mean, a regular rear-projection 52" TV is only $1200, so the folks with the plasma technology just must be greedy, right?

What about the Mercedes SL600 Roadster? Heck, I'd love to have one of those, but am not about to pay $128,220.00 for it. In fact, I may even go on strike - I'm sure Mercedes-Benz is really going to suffer for the lack of me (and several other people, I'd bet) not buying their cars. Right?

WRONG.

It's partially about supply and demand. Albino Burms have been on the market for almost 2 decades. These snakes are very easy to breed & throw HUGE clutches of eggs - sometimes 80 or more. So it's pretty darn easy to create a supply that meets the demand for these animals. In fact, there's not a giant demand for 20' snakes that cost a fortune to house & feed - check your local SPCA or reptile rescue & you're sure to find at least a couple.

Albino balls haven't been in the herp trade nearly as long as albino Burms. Ball pythons average 4-5 eggs a clutch & aren't quite as easy to breed as Burmese pythons. There is also a HUGE demand for albino balls - they're beautiful, popular, easy to keep, did I mention beautiful (?), and a perfect and manageable size for most people. Right now, there aren't as many albino balls being produced as there are people who want one - hence the price remains high. In a few years, the price will come down - I mean hey, it's already come down from $10,000 a few years ago.

If you want something new & different & cool, earn it. Don't sit around & gripe and say the pricing is unfair - that just looks like sour grapes.

Just my $.02

K

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You can't come pair a SL600 roadster to an Albino Ball, the only difference between my ball and yours is ... COLOR -

Its like saying my standard black SL600 is $20,000 and your nice yellow one is $128,000 ... My ball python can perform just as well as yours ... only difference is COLOR!

Theres plenty of Albino Ball Pythons produced, I'm even seeing them in local reptile pet shops, and I know I can find plenty of sellers "TRYING" to sell off their albinos for 2k ...

I'm not trying to start a flame war, just think its really unfair that they're priced so high ...

And if we did go on strike and stop buying till prices are lowered, I'm sure you would lower them ... What happends to all the left over items stores can't sell off? THEY GO ON DISCOUNT! *evil laugh* ... have I striked long enough for you to donate me an albino ball yet?

Anyways its cool that you actually take the time to breed them at all, I know its a hard job, but hopefully when prices are lowered near the $500 range, I'll be the first in line!

Oh and I have a question for you, are the snakes you breed ... inbreeds? For example do you breed father to sister, does it affect the snakes in anyway if you do?

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the only difference between my ball and yours is ... COLOR -

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So not true. You're not even considering all of the work and time that is involved with producing morphs. And the rarity of these beautiful animals compared to how many normals there are out there.

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Its like saying my standard black SL600 is $20,000 and your nice yellow one is $128,000 ... My ball python can perform just as well as yours ... only difference is COLOR!

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That arguement just doesn't work. Yellow cars are just as available as black cars, and the same amount of work is involved to make each. You totally can't compare that to ball pythons.

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just think its really unfair that they're priced so high ...

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Life's not fair. Get used to it.

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And if we did go on strike and stop buying till prices are lowered, I'm sure you would lower them

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So not gonna happen. As KLG stated, there are way more people who want albinos than there are available, and they ARE willing to pay full price for them.

Just my 2 cents.

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Originally Posted by Blink

the only difference between my ball and yours is ... COLOR -

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So not true. You're not even considering all of the work and time that is involved with producing morphs. And the rarity of these beautiful animals compared to how many normals there are out there.

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Originally Posted by Blink

Its like saying my standard black SL600 is $20,000 and your nice yellow one is $128,000 ... My ball python can perform just as well as yours ... only difference is COLOR!

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That arguement just doesn't work. Yellow cars are just as available as black cars, and the same amount of work is involved to make each. You totally can't compare that to ball pythons.

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just think its really unfair that they're priced so high ...

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Life's not fair. Get used to it.

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And if we did go on strike and stop buying till prices are lowered, I'm sure you would lower them

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So not gonna happen. As KLG stated, there are way more people who want albinos than there are available, and they ARE willing to pay full price for them.

Just my 2 cents.

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Yes I know theres a lot of time put into breeding them, but how its it anymore more time then breeding normal ones?

Step 1 -
Get two snakes that will make albinos ...
Step 2 -
Let the love makin' begin
Step 3 - You have albinos!

You make it sound as if the breeder has to make love to the snake himself.

The rarity can't be that high if I'm seeing them in my local reptile shop, thats not very exotic.
The only reason I brought up the SL600 theory was because KLG brought it up, I was stating that comparing the car to the snake is pointless.
How is life unfair? Life is fair, its only the people around you that make it unfair ...
I haven't met on person on this forum willing to pay full price for them ... so you're not really speaking from experience.

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Yes I know theres a lot of time put into breeding them, but how its it anymore more time then breeding normal ones?

Step 1 -
Get two snakes that will make albinos ...
Step 2 -
Let the love makin' begin
Step 3 - You have albinos!

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Okay, here I'm NOT speaking from experience, since I haven't bred albino balls, but I would say it has to do with step 1. Getting 2 snakes that will make albinos is harder and more expensive than getting 2 normal balls.

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You make it sound as if the breeder has to make love to the snake himself.

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The rarity can't be that high if I'm seeing them in my local reptile shop, thats not very exotic.

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They're not that rare compared to some of the other morphs, but they are still rare compared to normals.

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I haven't met on person on this forum willing to pay full price for them ... so you're not really speaking from experience.

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Well I'm willing to, so there is at least one for you. I have looked into getting an albino, and in my EXPERIENCE, looking at the availability from reputable breeeders on the internet, I've seen how quickly they get snatched up. The reason I haven't bought one yet is because I wanted to wait until I have more experience with balls before I make an investment like that, and also wait until I finish paying for my master's program. The demand is there, and people who can afford it will pay full price. That's just the way it is, and that's the way it will be until there are more albinos available on the market, no matter how much you whine about it.

So the matter of that fact is, you still can't afford one ... so join me in my "whining campaign"... and we shall slowly lower the price of "Albino Balls" ...

Yes, I understand theres not many of those snakes ... COME ON PEOPLE start making those puppies breed like rabbits ...

Actually, I can afford one. I could technically buy one today, but I'm not in a hurry to get one, and I would just feel better not spending 2,000 dollars when I'm also paying for my masters at the same time. Good luck with your campaign. :D

Okay okay let me restate that ... I didn't mean you can't exactly afford one ... I'm sure if we all didn't pay rent and didn't eat for a few months we'd have an albino ball, but it would hurt your bank account if you went out and bought one at this exact moment.

Okay, I'm not going to go into detail about my finances, but you don't know how much money is in my bank account, so you can't really say that. I don't rent, I own a home, and my cupboard and fridge are fully stocked and I could still buy an albino today if I made that decision. But as I said before, I wanted to wait until I felt very experienced with balls before dropping 2 grand on one, and so it seems logical to me, as I'm in no hurry, I might as well finish paying off my masters first. I'm not going to say anything else on this subject. :P

Did I mention I love you? :D

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Awwww, so it worked out in the end. :) I thought it was gonna get nasty. :shock: lol

I was just gonna say you could maybe compare the rarity of some ball python morphs to the rarity of some of those damn pokemon cards. They're all basically the same thing in the end, but since theres only a couple hundred of them in the world, people pay outrageous prices for them. And as long as people pay those prices, they're gonna stay that expensive. I mean, what are pokemon cards really? Just paper and some ink...or some foil if you get the fancy ones, lol. Although pokemon cards have been dead for a while.....but oh well, it was the only analogy I came up with, lol. :wink:

Hmm....difference is...you could go to a store and buy a pack of 12 pokemon cards and have a nice chance of getting a rare card. Wish you could go to reptile stores and buy a 12 pack of ball pythons, and have the chance to get lucky and get a rare morph. 8) Hey, I can dream. :)