Specter or not

Thoughts please on this girl, she looks similar to the specters on this page. http://www.ozzyboids.com/availableball.htm

http://www.captivebredreptileforums....s/14751-f2.jpg

http://www.captivebredreptileforums....s/14750-f1.jpg

Where did you get her and how much did you pay for her. Spectors, at least in photos look just like normals, and if you bought her as a normal I can pretty much guarantee she is just that. Spectors go for a pretty penny.

I'm not seeing it. Specters usually have a headspot that looks very similiar to a YB spot. An almost triangular light spot. Unless you just took really poor pictures I don't see that spot on your snake. Just my :twocents:

Regards,

B

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Originally Posted by Simple Man

I'm not seeing it. Specters usually have a headspot that looks very similiar to a YB spot. An almost triangular light spot. Unless you just took really poor pictures I don't see that spot on your snake. Just my :twocents:

Regards,

B

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Not all specters have the head spot look at these http://www.albeysreptiles.com/specter11_1.htm

Unless it was sold as a Specter, I doubt it is one.
Normals and Specters are on totally opposite ends of the price tag range. I don't think people would easily mistaken that...

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Originally Posted by Anatopism

Where did you get her and how much did you pay for her. Spectors, at least in photos look just like normals, and if you bought her as a normal I can pretty much guarantee she is just that. Spectors go for a pretty penny.

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Originally Posted by satomi325

Unless it was sold as a Specter, I doubt it is one.
Normals and Specters are on totally opposite ends of the price tag range. I don't think people would easily mistaken that...

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I produced her from a specter looking female.

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Originally Posted by ChrisJonesUK

I produced her from a specter looking female.

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Well until you prove the "Specter" looking female this is pretty much a moot point and purely speculation. A case of "what if" and then "what if" type scenario. Good luck though proving it out, I hope you have some type of YB combo to breed to the mother. That might help clear some things up. :cool:

Regards,

B

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Originally Posted by Simple Man

Well until you prove the "Specter" looking female this is pretty much a moot point and purely speculation. A case of "what if" and then "what if" type scenario. Good luck though proving it out, I hope you have some type of YB combo to breed to the mother. That might help clear some things up. :cool:

Regards,

B

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Sure have

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Originally Posted by ChrisJonesUK

Sure have

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Sweet! You'll have to update with your results. I hope she proves for you.

Regards,

B

Here are some pics of her brothers

Here is her normal pastel brother

http://www.captivebredreptileforums....s/14796-p2.jpg

Here is her bright blushed out brother, totally different to the normal pastel above.

http://www.captivebredreptileforums....s/14797-p1.jpg

A belly shot would help.

Here are some shots of my Specter for comparison:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...7/DSC01319.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...7/DSC01318.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...7/DSC01317.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...7/DSC01308.jpg

I can grab any other angles you may want to see for comparison. As said before, they are really hard to pick out, so if it not sold to you as a Specter I would basically consider it a Dinker until proven otherwise.

He produced it from a dinker, so he has no choice but to prove it out...

This is our specter...
http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...s/IMG_1523.jpg
http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...s/IMG_1532.jpg

Here is a belly shot. Thanks guys

http://www.captivebredreptileforums....s/14784-f3.jpg

I can't vouch for other specters, but our specter also has the same yellow tinting that most yellowbellys have.

Man, that is really hard to tell probably why I haven't purchased one yet. All of them look really different.

Any opinions on the 2 different pastels ???

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Originally Posted by ChrisJonesUK

Any opinions on the 2 different pastels ???

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What pastels?

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Originally Posted by joebad976

What pastels?

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One the first page, They are her brothers.:)

you can't expect for someone to say yes, i can see the very subtle morph is in there... just gotta prove em out man. I have dinkers that i think have a spector look to them, so i got a ivory and hopefully will prove out to be something lol.

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

you can't expect for someone to say yes, i can see the very subtle morph is in there... just gotta prove em out man. I have dinkers that i think have a spector look to them, so i got a ivory and hopefully will prove out to be something lol.

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I know, just asking for peoples opinion :)

I will say 'yes, it could be'--it does seem to have the primary markers, from what I've researched. You can't be certain until you breed it to a yellowbelly, of course, but it's possible.

On the other hand, it also has some vague granite markers.

As for the 'if it was sold as a normal' crowd...this morph is so subtle, you have to be REALLY in the know to spot one among a group of normals, so it's entirely possible there are spectors out there no one knows about. It may be true for most morphs, but this one? It doesn't exactly stand out.

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Originally Posted by WingedWolfPsion

I will say 'yes, it could be'--it does seem to have the primary markers, from what I've researched. You can't be certain until you breed it to a yellowbelly, of course, but it's possible.

On the other hand, it also has some vague granite markers.

As for the 'if it was sold as a normal' crowd...this morph is so subtle, you have to be REALLY in the know to spot one among a group of normals, so it's entirely possible there are spectors out there no one knows about. It may be true for most morphs, but this one? It doesn't exactly stand out.

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Of course it is possible, but the snake in question is the offspring of a 'specter looking female'. Its parent isn't even proven out yet. With a morph as subtle as this, nobody can sanely say it definitely looks like it may be a specter, especially knowing the background. This is similar to saying "Do you think my snake is a het pied? It's mother has railroad tracks near the vent, but it's not proven yet". Sure, it is possible it's a het pied (in this case, Specter)... but it would be silly to say it is definite, or even a likely occurrence.

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Originally Posted by WingedWolfPsion

I will say 'yes, it could be'--it does seem to have the primary markers, from what I've researched. You can't be certain until you breed it to a yellowbelly, of course, but it's possible.

On the other hand, it also has some vague granite markers.

As for the 'if it was sold as a normal' crowd...this morph is so subtle, you have to be REALLY in the know to spot one among a group of normals, so it's entirely possible there are spectors out there no one knows about. It may be true for most morphs, but this one? It doesn't exactly stand out.

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Thanks. i have bred her mum to my goblin and she just ovulated so i should prove it out soon:)

Yep, all you can do is give it a try. It's a long shot, but you may get lucky (and that would definitely be lucky!)

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Originally Posted by WingedWolfPsion

Yep, all you can do is give it a try. It's a long shot, but you may get lucky (and that would definitely be lucky!)

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Thanks. Fingers are crossed.