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I have normal females that will be ready to breed this year what morph types give off multiple morphs in the clutch? like a bumble bee pastel/spider/normals in the clutch what others do that?

There are no morphs that can give off multiple genes. The bumble bee is a combo morph which means that to produce one you have to breed a pastel with a spider. The pastel and spider are considered base morphs as they occurs naturally in the wild.

Check out this site. On each individual morphs page it says if it is a base morph or combo (also called designer morphs) along with what the genetics are.

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/

There are a ton of males you could use. It all depends on how much money you want to spend. You can buy a pastel yellowbelly male pretty cheap. Pewter (pastel x cinnamon) are around the same price as a good bumble bee. Any multigene male will work....

ok so a muli gene codominate bred with a normal female will give me both of the base co-dominates??? that i guess is myquestion

Aaron is correct.

No single morph produces multiple gene offspring, you need a combo to do that. As far as what combos ? Well, there are two gene, three gene, four gene, five gene and I believe even a six gene combo out there somewhere. Each of these animals are capable of producing offspring for each of the genes it carries. If you breed two combos together, you can even produce combinations of their genes and an entirely different morph.

And yes, if you breed a double co-dominate male to a normal female, they will produce offspring of both genes he carries.

Gale

if i live in des moines iowa where are some breeders i could contact?

I was thinking pinstripe and a superbee or queenbee(name escapes me) (super pastel/spider)

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ok so a muli gene codominate bred with a normal female will give me both of the base co-dominates??? that i guess is myquestion

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While you aren't guaranteed that both genes will be passed on, but it is possible.

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then breeding pinstripe and spiders <3 spiders!!! and pinstripes and super pastel

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU Serpent Merchant!!! I have no idea how u got that onto the page but u sir just helped a very computer illiterate person lol

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I was thinking pinstripe and a superbee or queenbee(name escapes me) (super pastel/spider)

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The name you are looking for is killer bee

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then breeding pinstripe and spiders <3 spiders!!! and pinstripes and super pastel

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Alright I gotta go play with the Genetic Wizzard I'm taking a large ration of food I'll be back in a few days... for more food...lol TY again!

The genetic wizard is a life saver

I have decided that I like Fire, Desert, Superpastel, Axanthic, and spider I love the spider pattern and the yellow of desert or fire... which one improves yellow better desert or Fire? can you do a desert-fire? can you do a desert-fire-pastel-spider????

Omg desert spider!!!!!! Favorite!

I think I just broke it lol

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I have decided that I like Fire, Desert, Superpastel, Axanthic, and spider I love the spider pattern and the yellow of desert or fire... which one improves yellow better desert or Fire? can you do a desert-fire? can you do a desert-fire-pastel-spider????

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Omg desert spider!!!!!! Favorite!

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Fires tend to bring out colors more just like vanillas and enchi. And yes you can make any combo you want, but once you start adding more and more genes it gets harder and harder to hit on the specific combo....like a 1/62 chance ect. Its also harder to distinguish what it is fully.

As for the desert spider.....hope your bank accounts nice and big (male deserts start at $2,500) and you feel like holding onto a lot of possible "dud females" as it has not been documented on a desert female successfully laying a clutch and having eggs hatch....not saying you cant sell them, but a lot harder than selling males due to their possible lack of infertility.

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WOW such a beautiful animal and it's infertile really? that is nature at it's best keeping the supply down and demand up(color in this case since it's infertile) are there other morphs that are proven infertile i should know about or is it just desert females? and would a female desert be cheap since it's infertile? I'm not really a breeder i just like the color so fertility isn't why i want it you guys are awesome thankyou for all the info

so a axanthic Pastave... that would be one smokin hot snake! YEA for the gene wizard getting my brain all spun up

YES YES YES!!! http://www.worldofballpythons.com/fi...pastel/001.jpg

Now I just need a pair of Axanthics... anyone here know where i can get a pair? wait let me guess they are extremely expensive...sigh... I have wine taste on beer budget... but i will save i got $700 saved for my new rack and t-stat setup!!! took 6 months to save but I did it!

First thing... put down the mouse and step away from the gene calculator... it has cost me THOUSANDS!:D

The best bet is to first figure out your snake buying budget and then look at a project you like within that budget.

My personal philosophy with my collection (in my signature line) is that I never want to breed down a level, meaning at a minimum I want to be able to better my situation gene-wise by at least one.

Example: Fire Yellow Belly to Enchi gives me a chance at the 3 gene Enchi Fire YB, so forth and so on. One of my pairing will have an outside possibility of a 5 gene, but that is only if the ODDS GODS are especially giving that year (Fire YB X Vanilla Pewter). Anyway....

In your case, with normal females I would get CoDom males that can reproduce themselves, so as you are not stepping backwards. At that point, keep back your nicest females to put back with Dad in a couple of years and go from there. In the mean time you could also save (or sell/trade your CoDOm babies) for a CoDom female to accelerate things.

The other tac is to get a male Super XXXXXX, and ensure you will get zero normals, BUT you will only get single gene morphs. I personally think the gamble for more double gene (especially with several females) is the way to go.

Recessives are a whole other ball game....

Also, and this is important, for the most part quality begets quality. So factor in that you will likely pay the upper end of the price range for a morph that is considered a especially good example (this is up for intense debate, but I digress...). Having a solid foundation of quality morphs will help a lot in the future. What I mean here is try not to settle for the cheapest easiest to find example of the given gene just cause you REALLY want one... I have been looking for a Enchi for 4-5 months before I pulled the trigger on one, and I looked at dozens.

There are dozens of ways to go about it, but that is just a example scenario.

Sorry for the novel, but just some ideas to consider.

My survivors i bought from a really good breeder and his partner they lived and are feeding strong (3 big normal girls) and of course Odin who has been through all of my fails as a husband and is still my teddy bear he just loves curling up as tight as possible on my neck and yes sometimes i gotta put a finger in to let him know it's enough... the girls are anti-social one does phantom strikes out of her tub not as a feeding response because i wrestle all of them(well i just wrestle her she panics and is WAY skittish so brings on the closed mouth strike i call a phantom strike not sure on the jargon) into a 40g breeder for feeding...the other six i bought from craigslist and other word-of-mouth sales... I learned I lost almost $700 (a lot to me and yes i realize i bought CHEAP snakes i got my male spider for $75) in snakes NOW I agree and I also will never buy someone's cheap-o snakes thats why I'm looking for breeders but I don't know very many because I'm kinda anti-social so the herp sociaty doesn't see me much... have decided the best way to move forward is a Super pastel to get all baby pastels again they were my first snake ever and a great base morph to get some possible females and sell the males the what I love the spider pattern so what would YOU get with 3 normal females and a Super pastel and potential offspring??? I want pieds, axanthics and albinos but i just don't have that budget for a recessive gene project how much would a super pastel female cost?(save $ in long run??) and male? (cheaper now and breed up to a super pastel female??) Is the cost difference THAT big?
I have a lot of questions and you all rock! thank you for any insight!

A super pastel to a normal will throw all pastels. No matter what. Males are coming down to about $400-550 and females $450-600....but that's from what I've seen and liked....

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Get a super pastel male baby and 3 normal breeder size females. Grow the male up until he gets to breeding size and breed him to your females. 100% of the offspring will be pastels. 3 (7 on avg) egg clutches. So save the nicest females out of like 20 eggs. Get rid of the normal females or keep them if you want. then once the female pastels you raise up reach breeding size you breed the super pastel male to them. Youre offspring will have chances of 50% pastel and 50% super pastel. A super pastel to super pastel yields 100% super pastel babies.

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Get a super pastel male baby and 3 normal breeder size females. Grow the male up until he gets to breeding size and breed him to your females. 100% of the offspring will be pastels. 3 (7 on avg) egg clutches. So save the nicest females out of like 20 eggs. Get rid of the normal females or keep them if you want. then once the female pastels you raise up reach breeding size you breed the super pastel male to them. Youre offspring will have chances of 50% pastel and 50% super pastel. A super pastel to super pastel yields 100% super pastel babies.

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What Mike said. ;)

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