catching and keeping burmese in south florida?

whats the legality on catching and keeping burmese in south florida now and in the future?

not sure... I doubt you will find one though, they aren't as rampant as the media and government want us to think. Even if you do it probably won't be in the greatest condition. I know that the state of Florida has laws regulating Burms, but I'm not sure exactly what they are.

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Originally Posted by The Serpent Merchant

not sure... I doubt you will find one though, they aren't as rampant as the media and government want us to think. Even if you do it probably won't be in the greatest condition. I know that the state of Florida has laws regulating Burms, but I'm not sure exactly what they are.

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i have a friend down here thats says he has access to them regularly. hmmm

I believe all the groups (scientific, "scientific", and vets) that have caught any wild burms have euthanized them. I'd imagine it's not legal to keep them sadly. You have to remember that they are literally wild, and wouldn't be as cute and cuddly as the ones people breed. They will see you as a predator. They would also be riddled with parasites and possibly disease that could contaminate any others in your collection.

Edit: I just want to add that I really have no idea, this is purely my own speculation.

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Originally Posted by chasingtime

i have a friend down here thats says he has access to them regularly. hmmm

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The Everglades is a big place, but I was there recently for 6 hours and didn't see any at all and trust me I was looking.

I'm not saying that they aren't there at all or anything. Overall I'd say that it is a bad idea and not worth the risk

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Originally Posted by The Serpent Merchant

The Everglades is a big place, but I was there recently for 6 hours and didn't see any at all and trust me I was looking.

I'm not saying that they aren't there at all or anything. Overall I'd say that it is a bad idea and not worth the risk

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im a sick man and will spend months looking. not really interested in big mean ones. looking for small handle-able ones but will look out for disease and def quarantine. ive spent years looking for native fish species perfect for my tanks...

Why not just buy a burm while you still can from a breeder? It's not like they are native to the Everglades anyway. You will get a much better animal. We aren't talking about ball pythons anymore... Full grown burns can do some real damage to you if you aren't careful. They demand respect.

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Originally Posted by The Serpent Merchant

Why not just buy a burm while you still can from a breeder? It's not like they are native to the Everglades anyway. You will get a much better animal. We aren't talking about ball pythons anymore... Full grown burns can do some real damage to you if you aren't careful. They demand respect.

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ive kept burms before in ny. i want the experience of finding them in the wild. likely will just respect them where they lay anyway....

I don't think it's legal to acquire a burm as a pet in Florida regardless if you buy it or catch it...pretty sure it's been that way for a while now. Don't think you can go collecting them in the wild for any reason without a state issued permit. Probably best to just bury this idea.

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Originally Posted by RobNJ

I don't think it's legal to acquire a burm as a pet in Florida regardless if you buy it or catch it...pretty sure it's been that way for a while now. Don't think you can go collecting them in the wild for any reason without a state issued permit. Probably best to just bury this idea.

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I give this reply :gj::gj:

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Originally Posted by RobNJ

I don't think it's legal to acquire a burm as a pet in Florida regardless if you buy it or catch it...pretty sure it's been that way for a while now. Don't think you can go collecting them in the wild for any reason without a state issued permit. Probably best to just bury this idea.

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nothing on the books about respecting them where they lay :P its really the thrill of the chase anyway to be honest...

This doesn't seem like a good idea...

I live out west. probably will never visit florida. but I think it would be awesome to see 1 of these things roaming around wild. I wouldn't mind seeing some gators 2 .

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Originally Posted by luvmyballs

I live out west. probably will never visit florida. but I think it would be awesome to see 1 of these things roaming around wild. I wouldn't mind seeing some gators 2 .

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Come over to my apartment then, there are gators in the lake behind my building lol

ive spent years looking for fish for my tanks back in ny and to be honest when i finally caught them i was not excited like i thought id be. my favorite memories were just being out in the wild...

I don't see any freaking idea in keeping wild reptiles, and I would never do it myself, but then again I'm a good person... Wild animals/reptiles belong in the wild! Stick to CB! And also the chance of finding a Burm in Everglades is very small!

In Florida, you must have a permit to own a burmese. If you don't have a permit now, you can't get a permit really.

You cannot collect a feral burmese from the wild in Florida without a proper permit. You cannot collect wildlife from the Everglades without the proper permits. I believe there are areas of the Everglades you are not allowed to access.

You CAN observe wildlife in Florida, including any nonnative species you might happen across. So you can hike around(observing the rules about where, etc) and look for burmese. However, the Everglades is a HUGE place, and there's not a lot of landmarks and roads and such to get to most of it. Much of it is boat-accessable only.

You might be able to contact one of the local(to South Florida) herp societies and see if they have group tours or herping trips that you could go along with. They'd probably know the best areas to go looking.

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Originally Posted by wolfy-hound

In Florida, you must have a permit to own a burmese. If you don't have a permit now, you can't get a permit really.

You cannot collect a feral burmese from the wild in Florida without a proper permit. You cannot collect wildlife from the Everglades without the proper permits. I believe there are areas of the Everglades you are not allowed to access.

You CAN observe wildlife in Florida, including any nonnative species you might happen across. So you can hike around(observing the rules about where, etc) and look for burmese. However, the Everglades is a HUGE place, and there's not a lot of landmarks and roads and such to get to most of it. Much of it is boat-accessable only.

You might be able to contact one of the local(to South Florida) herp societies and see if they have group tours or herping trips that you could go along with. They'd probably know the best areas to go looking.

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sounds like it would be easier to head over to the surface merchants apartment check out the gators in the lake lol

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Originally Posted by Brian Fobian

I don't see any freaking idea in keeping wild reptiles, and I would never do it myself, but then again I'm a good person... Wild animals/reptiles belong in the wild! Stick to CB! And also the chance of finding a Burm in Everglades is very small!

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a nice person shouldnt suggest that someone else is a bad person for having different beliefs than someone else and guess what, you would never have had your cb if it wasnt for people practicing wild caught. as a matter of fact i see wild caught all over our hobbys websites every single day. new species and hard to breed captive species and someone keeping that trade alive. in fact many many people are keeping it alive. i choose to see you as a good person and welcome to your opinion. and by the way i clearly stated toward the end that i will enjoy the thrill of the chase and watch them in their wild homes. peace...

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Originally Posted by Brian Fobian

Wild animals/reptiles belong in the wild!

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one more thing. the wild reptile i was discussing does not belong in the wilds of south florida...

Good luck finding them. The cold front killed off most of them. The media hype is far different then reality

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Originally Posted by Denial

Good luck finding them. The cold front killed off most of them. The media hype is far different then reality

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is there documentation confirming this?

Burmese pythons CANNOT survive in cold temperatures. The Everglades got down to the low 40s recently. Most of the burms therefore must have died in the cold front. Although all of them likely didn't, logic has it that a majority did.

Proof:


GIVEN

t=Low Temperature for the year
b=# of burms in everglades
e=time temperatures were at t
t=38ºF
b=~4000
e=10 days

4000/{t[e(1/300)]}

According to this, 3158 pythons died during the cold front. Therefore only 842 pythons are alive in the Everglades.

The number of pythons is AN ESTIMATE. It may or may not be exactly correct.

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Originally Posted by apple2

Burmese pythons CANNOT survive in cold temperatures. The Everglades got down to the low 40s recently. Most of the burms therefore must have died in the cold front. Although all of them likely didn't, logic has it that a majority did.

Proof:


GIVEN

t=Low Temperature for the year
b=# of burms in everglades
e=time temperatures were at t
t=38ºF
b=~4000
e=10 days

4000/{t[e(1/300)]}

According to this, 3158 pythons died during the cold front. Therefore only 842 pythons are alive in the Everglades.

The number of pythons is AN ESTIMATE. It may or may not be exactly correct.

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lol

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Originally Posted by chasingtime

is there documentation confirming this?

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Is there actual proof of there "ever" being hundreds of thousands there to begin with?

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Originally Posted by Denial

Is there actual proof of there "ever" being hundreds of thousands there to begin with?

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i dont know :rolleye2: jeepers, i just want to see "one" in the wild. lol. am i asking so much? hehehe. btw south florida did not experience the cold snap like central florida did and all reptiles fared very well down there ;) point is theyll never establish above south florida and take over the southern us like the scare mongers would have us believe.

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Originally Posted by Denial

Is there actual proof of there "ever" being hundreds of thousands there to begin with?

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read the title of my post. i clearly stated "south florida"

Usark doubts that Burmese pythons can
become established and persist beyond the "southern
portion" of the Florida peninsula.

that was from usark themselves and all based on the cold snap you speak of ;)

last paragraph http://www.usark.org/uploads/PythonColdTempfulltext.pdf

But the point you may be missing is ...Were there ever really hundreds of thousands there to begin with? It seems now everyone is having trouble finding them. Even the ones looking that are apart of our hobby.

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Originally Posted by RobNJ

I don't think it's legal to acquire a burm as a pet in Florida regardless if you buy it or catch it...pretty sure it's been that way for a while now. Don't think you can go collecting them in the wild for any reason without a state issued permit. Probably best to just bury this idea.

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X3

This should never have been posted as the such. If I'm right they're are only 15 people who have permits to go "burm hunting" if You were asking about applying for a.permit and helping in the "removal" it would be different.. I'll be honest, Ans try not to be.mean, you seem as though you want say a challenge? Something harder then normal. But hey that's my guess... right now though when we have enough drama going ob in the reptile world... its best to think about the community as a whole, and not oneself.

Total fail, it went from 7 replies to 28...

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Originally Posted by Denial

But the point you may be missing is ...Were there ever really hundreds of thousands there to begin with? It seems now everyone is having trouble finding them. Even the ones looking that are apart of our hobby.

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just quoting usark and you dont need hundreds of thousands to see some. not sure where the hundreds of thousands number popped in this discussion anyway...

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Originally Posted by chasingtime

just quoting usark and you dont need hundreds of thousands to see some. not sure where the hundreds of thousands number popped in this discussion anyway...

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When they first popped up in the media thats how many were said to be down there. But im not one to stop you. If you want a challenge by all means go look for one. Im sure it will certainly amount to a challenge to find one.

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Originally Posted by Denial

When they first popped up in the media thats how many were said to be down there. But im not one to stop you. If you want a challenge by all means go look for one. Im sure it will certainly amount to a challenge to find one.

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just think of all the fun things ill see along the way. btw, nice caramel!!!

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Originally Posted by zeion97

X3

This should never have been posted as the such. If I'm right they're are only 15 people who have permits to go "burm hunting" if You were asking about applying for a.permit and helping in the "removal" it would be different.. I'll be honest, Ans try not to be.mean, you seem as though you want say a challenge? Something harder then normal. But hey that's my guess... right now though when we have enough drama going ob in the reptile world... its best to think about the community as a whole, and not oneself.

Total fail, it went from 7 replies to 28...

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thats not mean at all. thanks for your opinion...

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Originally Posted by Denial

But the point you may be missing is ...Were there ever really hundreds of thousands there to begin with? It seems now everyone is having trouble finding them. Even the ones looking that are apart of our hobby.

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Probably, not. more media bs et al.

anyway, you guys can go catch peacock bass and gars and whatnot in florida, now you want free burms!:P