Chameleon Ball Python X 2 Strange things happening,
Any ideas on what could be going on here ? I have a 1.1 Het Clown pair same clutch seperate tubs but yet changed colour first the female changed I thought she was glowing and so did everyone else but then the male today just after he shed. Both looked completely normal well as normal as they were but then they turned into these :O
Before Photographs,
Male
http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...71014396_n.jpg
http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...96492164_n.jpg
Female
http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...53097806_n.jpg
Now this is the male tonight,
http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...30316375_n.jpg
http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...19030728_n.jpg
http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...57895200_n.jpg
Female
http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...02648005_n.jpg
http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...18017640_n.jpg
They both feel completely normal no funky scales or anything they aren't sticky or anything abnormal about them other than the colour changing.
Any ideas ?
Re: Chameleon Ball Python X 2 Strange things happening,
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Originally Posted by
The Serpent Merchant
The Clown genetics does some crazy things.... not sure exactly what happened but it's defiantly cool
I remember seeing a thread that described something similar to this but I can't remember what it was called and it was a while back as well.
The odd thing is from what I am aware none of the other clutch mates have done this its only my pair that its happened to I will be shooting the breeder an email to double check though lol.
Re: Chameleon Ball Python X 2 Strange things happening,
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Originally Posted by
WingedWolfPsion
What have you been feeding them? I have heard of this happening in conjunction with overly fatty foods being used (lab rats or mice, or jumbo mice). It's due to nutritional issues, when that is the cause.
If they were mine, I would start supplementing with powdered vitamins, and consider a different source for feeders. If you're raising the feeders, what are you feeding your rodents?
It could also be the IMG effect (increasing melanin gene)--are your two animals siblings?
They are both fed on normal rats ( same as all my others ) and never had this issue before have also used the same supplier for a while, They are both in perfect health bar the colour change which doesn't seem to affect their health at all :)
I buy my rats from a breeder who supplys a few people in the UK and no other issues have been reported.
They are both siblings ( brother and sister ) the female changed first at the start of the week ( I have a thread up about her ) we all thought she was just glowing but then the male shed this evening and looked like this. They were both normal colour when they were shedding and when they shed they changed.
I don't think they are genetic I think its just another one of those unexplained things that you get with reptiles lol :)
Re: Chameleon Ball Python X 2 Strange things happening,
that really is amazing! i would like to know what you find out as well.
Re: Chameleon Ball Python X 2 Strange things happening,
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Originally Posted by
satomi325
I can't explain this either, but it's definitely an interesting case.
They look super neat.
Keep us posted if you find anything out
Lol Thanks :) I will keep everyone updated for sure, Their lines been chucking out some awesome clowns at the minute which look immense!
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Originally Posted by
ClarkT
Wow! they look gorgeous! I think there's more to them--some other het gene... How old are they? How soon are you going to be able to breed them and find out? Hurry up! Patience takes too long! haha
Its funny you say that Clark they are from a line which is chucking out some mental clowns at the minute they look like genetic stripe clowns with a twist lol. They have been bred this season female is in perfect health over 2 kilo and as a great body condition so thought i'd give it a whirl :)
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Originally Posted by
adamsky27
That is crazy, keep us updated!
Will do Adam :D
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Originally Posted by
that_dc5
That male looks axanthic. This happened just after one shed?
Literally at the start of the week he looked normal and yesterday he looked like this lol the female did exactly the same too but not as dramatic we honestly thought she was just glowing.
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Originally Posted by
WingedWolfPsion
If it's just a random thing, they should slowly get their color back. If it's IMG, they should get their color back but with increasing amounts of black all throughout it.
Color in ball python scales seems to be very much a surface thing...any scrape of the scales or interference with the skin's normal growth can remove the color. It's the last thing to develop in hatchlings, too.
I do hope they get their colour back :) crazy thing these balls.
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Originally Posted by
h&tmaster
that really is amazing! i would like to know what you find out as well.
Will keep you all updated :D
Re: Chameleon Ball Python X 2 Strange things happening,
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tjteach14
If they have been breeding this could be the results of a "Glow". I was just watching a video the other night about the "glows" that occur during breeding and that male and female can act the same. The "Glow" does effect the pigmentation and is known to grey, and wash some color out.
just a thought.
They look amazing as is...good luck with them.
Thanks :D I have spoke to a friend about the 'glow' and only found out yesterday that males can glow too it could be what's happening after all we do know the clown gene does crazy things with balls. I have yet to see a lock from the male though but everything is looking promising :)
