1K gram het pied female or baby pastel het clown female?

If they are priced around the same, which would you grab?
(both under 1k)

thanks =]

edit: Also a good excuse to try to make a poll for the first time :D

Pastel Het Clown for sure!

Het pied. You can breed sooner. Plus everyone is working with clown combos right now so you cant gauge the futures market on todays prices. You will be 3 years from breeding the baby. Even if you can get her breeding in 2 thats still 2 years. Thats a long time out.

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Originally Posted by snake lab

Het pied. You can breed sooner. Plus everyone is working with clown combos right now so you cant gauge the futures market on todays prices. You will be 3 years from breeding the baby. Even if you can get her breeding in 2 thats still 2 years. Thats a long time out.

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This is why it seems like a tough decision... There's tons of pastel clowns out there, and pastel het clown females are going for the same price as a visual female clown lol. This pastel het clown is priced a little over half of that... And she's freakn SWEET looking! T.T....

I'm assuming they are coming for a reputable breeder so you are sure they are 100% hets. The het pied female will be ready to breed sooner than the pastel het clown but which do you want to work with? Which project excites you more, the prospect of hatching a pastel clown or hatching a pied? Do you have a male het/visual for either of them? Prices do constantly shift, but if you are only breeding for money then to me personally you are breeding for the wrong reasons. I got my leos because I thought I wanted to work with them, but they don't excite me as much as my cresties or my ball pythons so they are more of a pain than anything else. You have to enjoy what you are working with or you may become bored with it. Get which ever one you will enjoy working with more regardless of where you think the market will be in a few years.

Go for what you want, not for what every one might be doing. There are just as many working on pied combos out there as clown combos probably.
If I had to make that decision between the two it would be the pastel het clown for me, nevermid if the het pied can breed sooner, the pastel het clown would go better with my personal goals.

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Originally Posted by Kinra

I'm assuming they are coming for a reputable breeder so you are sure they are 100% hets. The het pied female will be ready to breed sooner than the pastel het clown but which do you want to work with? Which project excites you more, the prospect of hatching a pastel clown or hatching a pied? Do you have a male het/visual for either of them? Prices do constantly shift, but if you are only breeding for money then to me personally you are breeding for the wrong reasons. I got my leos because I thought I wanted to work with them, but they don't excite me as much as my cresties or my ball pythons so they are more of a pain than anything else. You have to enjoy what you are working with or you may become bored with it. Get which ever one you will enjoy working with more regardless of where you think the market will be in a few years.

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whoa whoa whoa o_O
Please don't make assumptions about people unless you get an answer to your questions first! Geez! Whatever happened to the benefit of the doubt? lol

I love clowns and I really want to work with clowns more than pieds... I want to start breeding BPs because I want to produce something NEW, AS WELL AS my favorite morphs...

I'm not a big fan of pieds, but I'm a huge fan of enchi stuff... The enchi pied is sweet, and I hope to have/produce one of those in my future!

My goals and motives both fail to mention "because i want to make a quick thousand bucks on a morph" .... :rolleyes:


ALSO, If I go the het pied route, every pied I produce by the time you do will probably be about 600ea. Every pastel clown I produce will still be probably a few thousand.... The pastel het clown will also be worth more when she gets to be the same age as the het pied female... So if I was in this for the money, then the obvious route would be to go for the pastel het clown... But it's not.. -_-... i hate it when people make assumptions... especially one of the most negative assumption you can accuse someone of in this hobby.. mama didn't raise me to be greedy :colbert:

I'd go with the 2 gene female over the 1 gene.

The Het female won't be able to produce anything better than her dad. The Pastel Het will be able to produce better than dad in all but one situation (breeding her to a super pastel clown). Even in that one situation she is a decent shot (1 in 4) of reproducing dad.

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Originally Posted by h00blah

whoa whoa whoa o_O
Please don't make assumptions about people unless you get an answer to your questions first! Geez! Whatever happened to the benefit of the doubt? lol

I love clowns and I really want to work with clowns more than pieds... I want to start breeding BPs because I want to produce something NEW, AS WELL AS my favorite morphs...

I'm not a big fan of pieds, but I'm a huge fan of enchi stuff... The enchi pied is sweet, and I hope to have/produce one of those in my future!

My goals and motives both fail to mention "because i want to make a quick thousand bucks on a morph" .... :rolleyes:

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Maybe I came off a bit strong, but I was only trying to stress a point that you need to enjoy what you are working with. I was also countering Snake Lab's argument of getting the het pied because you can breed it sooner. :rolleyes:

Please try to read what people write with an open mind and don't assume people are trying to attack you. Some of us come off a little stronger than other. :P

It sounds like you enjoy the clowns more, so that should give you your answer. With pieds, if you want to produce an enchi pied in the future you would be better off getting a visual female or an enchi het pied female instead of just a het pied female.

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Originally Posted by h00blah

ALSO, If I go the het pied route, every pied I produce by the time you do will probably be about 600ea. Every pastel clown I produce will still be probably a few thousand.... The pastel het clown will also be worth more when she gets to be the same age as the het pied female... So if I was in this for the money, then the obvious route would be to go for the pastel het clown... But it's not.. -_-... i hate it when people make assumptions... especially one of the most negative assumption you can accuse someone of in this hobby.. mama didn't raise me to be greedy :colbert:

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I don't believe I made an assumption or an accusation and if that is the way you read it, I am sorry. I even went on to say how leos were a bad choice for me because they don't excite me like my other projects. I used my personal experience to try to explain why it's important that you enjoy what you are working with.

It sound's like your leaning toward the pastel het clown? For me, I would choose the pastel het clown. I just picked up 1.1 pastel het clown's from fred kick (nice guy. great quality bp's). I'm hoping to produce killer clown's,pastel clown's and am seriously thinking about picking up a lesser het clown from (rdr). I was going to buy a pastel clown and a pastel het clown but I changed my mind from spending so much money on the one bp. Figured, the cheaper way will give me more option's.
Do what you want. But, if your willing to spend the time raising a female or breeding a established female? Then make it worth the effort! For me, I'm not focused on what I can get for a KC? I just want the satisfaction of being able to produce a sweet morph that is rarely seen available? If, I can't sell my KC,King clown or King clown pastel's? I would be totally fine in keeping them for myself.

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Originally Posted by Kinra

Maybe I came off a bit strong, but I was only trying to stress a point that you need to enjoy what you are working with. I was also countering Snake Lab's argument of getting the het pied because you can breed it sooner. :rolleyes:

Please try to read what people write with an open mind and don't assume people are trying to attack you. Some of us come off a little stronger than other. :P

It sounds like you enjoy the clowns more, so that should give you your answer. With pieds, if you want to produce an enchi pied in the future you would be better off getting a visual female or an enchi het pied female instead of just a het pied female.

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sowwy kinra :please:. They're valid points, and even though that bit doesn't apply to me, it's great information to have on the forum :gj:.

I love the Clown projects. I purchased a Pastel het Clown a couple of hears ago from TSK for a pretty penny. I just purchased a Spider het Clown male from Nerd in hopes of hitting the long shot Bumblebee Clown.... Also as an added bonus the Pastel Clowns have held their value extremely well the last few years!!

Heres the thing with the prices of pastel clowns. There are so many people working with this morph and producing hets off these projects. In 2 to 3 years when tgis baby is ready the prices will be half of what they are now . I would get the het pied. Breed her next fall, sell the babies and buy a pastel clown male and make your own sooner

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Originally Posted by snake lab

Heres the thing with the prices of pastel clowns. There are so many people working with this morph and producing hets off these projects. In 2 to 3 years when tgis baby is ready the prices will be half of what they are now . I would get the het pied. Breed her next fall, sell the babies and buy a pastel clown male and make your own sooner

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You act like nobody is working with the Pied gene??? That market extremely flooded. In 2-3 years a Pastel Clown will still be worth much more than a Piebald in 1-2 years. If the OP eventually gets a male Pastel Het Clown to go with the female...Even better! I would still go with the Pastel Het Clown! To each is own!

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Originally Posted by DemmBalls

You act like nobody is working with the Pied gene??? That market extremely flooded. In 2-3 years a Pastel Clown will still be worth much more than a Piebald in 1-2 years. If the OP eventually gets a male Pastel Het Clown to go with the female...Even better! I would still go with the Pastel Het Clown! To each is own!

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Of course the market is flooded with pieds. Im not arguing that at all. What im saying is why wait 2 to 3 years when you can be producing an animal that sells this fall. The pieds sell. If he gets the het pied, produces pieds, sells pieds he can still get a pastel het clown or even a pastel clown with more size next spring if thats where he wants to go. You waste so much time by going for a baby and raising it up to breed when it comes to females

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Originally Posted by snake lab

Heres the thing with the prices of pastel clowns. There are so many people working with this morph and producing hets off these projects. In 2 to 3 years when tgis baby is ready the prices will be half of what they are now . I would get the het pied. Breed her next fall, sell the babies and buy a pastel clown male and make your own sooner

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Yeah, but the pastel het clown female will be worth much more in 2-3 years when she is ready to breed. The OP can get the pastel het clown female now and in a year or two pick up a pastel clown male and then try for killer clowns if that is what they want to do.

The market is always going to tank, look at spiders, pastels, ghost, etc... That doesn't mean it's a bad idea to pick up a female of that morph if it is something you enjoy working with. Females take a while to grow up and are always worth more once they are breeder size.

It depends I guess...if you were planning on also picking up an enchi, lesser or some male het pied to breed to the girl this year, maybe going with the het pied girl is the way to go, hope to hit the odds and use sales to fund your clown projects or other future projects. If you were simply going to do het pied x het pied or pied x het pied, maybe going with the pastel het clown would be the way to go and then pinch your pennies to pick up a 2 gene het clown male to breed to her. As far as going with what you like, that works, but if there's a chance on a sooner return on a project you're not necessarily crazy about, nothing wrong at all with going that route to fund future projects.

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Originally Posted by RobNJ

It depends I guess...if you were planning on also picking up an enchi, lesser or some male het pied to breed to the girl this year, maybe going with the het pied girl is the way to go, hope to hit the odds and use sales to fund your clown projects or other future projects. If you were simply going to do het pied x het pied or pied x het pied, maybe going with the pastel het clown would be the way to go and then pinch your pennies to pick up a 2 gene het clown male to breed to her. As far as going with what you like, that works, but if there's a chance on a sooner return on a project you're not necessarily crazy about, nothing wrong at all with going that route to fund future projects.

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Great points. Hopefully the sweet deal on the PhC is still available :please:

I already have a small group of females that I hope to breed in the future :D

Of course it's going to take a LONG time.. But until then, I can see what other combos they're making :gj:. I DO want some recessives in here though. In order, my top 3 favorite recessive combos are clown, axanthic, then lavender =p. I eventually want all 3, but if I can start working on producing my favorite first, then I'm all for that!

My plan for the het pied female was to breed a co-dom male het pied to her to maybe get a cool pied female combo.. The point of this was to get some practice in breeding to see if I can do it, and to get another female of course :D. You can never have too many of those!

I personally agree with Kinra that a pastel het clown is going to be worth more than the het pied in 2 years. Not just in monetary value, but in my own personal endeavor :gj:.

I want to keep this hobby as just a hobby :D. I believe successfully breeding would just be so cool! Breeding something nobody has seen before must feel like exploring a brand new island, opposed to hitting the lottery... That's my train of thought anyways.. If it pays for itself and ends up being a free hobby, then SWEET! If I somehow make a profit, I'd probably just buy more ball pythons :rolleyes:

Thanks for the replies :bow::bow:

Personally for the future, I would go with the Pastel het Clown, but depends on which morph you like better.

Waiting for a reply for the pastel het clown :). Super excited!

I would go with the pastel het clown because when she gets to the size and you dont have a male het clown yet you can still pair her with other morphs and make great combos if shes really nice looking your limited with a normal het pied...but I do see alot of pastel het clowns but I see more pieds than hets and clowns combined...

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Originally Posted by Gbusiness

I just picked up 1.1 pastel het clown's from fred kick (nice guy. great quality bp's).

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You say that like you're proud of it. Did you do any research on the guy's reputation or was cheap the sole motivating factor?

OP, I'd go for the pastel het clown, especially if she's a real nice one. There have been a few for sale lately, but that's not usually the case. Het pied come up for sale all the time.

pastel het clown for sure :gj:

Gbuisness. Ya better order a bunch of proventamite or reptile relief. You are not only the proud owner of 1.1 pastel het clowns but you are also the owner of 4747448848.474848475847 mites

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Originally Posted by snake lab

You are not only the proud owner of 1.1 pastel het clowns

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Hopefully he really is the owner of 1.1 Pastel het clowns and not just a pair of pastels...

I will say fred has some nice animals and i have proven hets out from him in the past. Unfortunately the animals are not in the best health. This may be because he has too many and its more then his brother and him can handle, it may be hes a mill, it may be he just doesnt care. Whatever the case may be he does have nice animals. Its just sad they are in the health that they are. Last time i got animals from him i had mites all over them. I wont buy any more animals personally from them because of that

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Originally Posted by snake lab

Het pied. You can breed sooner. Plus everyone is working with clown combos right now so you cant gauge the futures market on todays prices. You will be 3 years from breeding the baby. Even if you can get her breeding in 2 thats still 2 years. Thats a long time out.

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Even more "everyone" has pieds and het pieds. I believe pieds and hets are way overpriced even still and are going to continue their price crash. over the next two years before settling ~ $300 for a hatchling.

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Originally Posted by mainbutter

Even more "everyone" has pieds and het pieds. I believe pieds and hets are way overpriced even still and are going to continue their price crash. over the next two years before settling ~ $300 for a hatchling.

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As i agree. But it doesnt matter what you think or what i think the are holdin and selling at that price. And even if they do go down more i dont think it will see 300 for awhile. My point is. If you breed sooner you can generate more spending cash to get bigger animals to work with. Its a waste of time to spend 3 years raising a female up especially if your raising her up based on the market today. What happens if you get the baby and that market tanks for that morph. Thats time wasted. We are afterall just talkin about pastel clowns which are not a one of a kind animal. Alot of people have produced and are producing them now. So my only point was to give the op the best possible solution to the dilema.