Trick Ball is a Codom

Listed as and thought to be a Dom gene, has now been proven to be a Codom. Keven Winter has provided me with this picture of the Super Trick out of the Liesen Line. From what he is telling me, it's getting brighter with age.

Enjoy

Liesen Line Trick Ball and Lesser Trick Ball

http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/...ricklesser.jpg



Liesen Line Super Trick

http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/...rTrickpic3.jpg

http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/...rTrickpic4.jpg

The "super trick" is a yellow snake? lol. Maybe he sent you the wrong pic o_O.. Doesn't look like the tricks i've seen, nor does it look like the pastel trick pictures i've seen :weirdface

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Originally Posted by h00blah

The "super trick" is a yellow snake? lol. Maybe he sent you the wrong pic o_O.. Doesn't look like the tricks i've seen, nor does it look like the pastel trick pictures i've seen :weirdface

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I've only seen the Lesser Trick and Trick in person. When I was talking to him, he told me that it was a bright yellow snake before he sent me pictures the next day. From what he told me, Kevin Winter and his partners on the project were hoping it wasn't going to be an all white snake. I'm not sure if this super form is specific to the Liesen Line or not. In his email back to me appoving that I share the photo, he specifically says "The Liesen Line Trick is definitely codminant." It may be that just this line produces this form of Super Trick?

Hmmm..

You sure that isn't a Super Pastel Trick? Or something along those lines?

Regards,

B

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Originally Posted by LotsaBalls

Hmmm..

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Originally Posted by Simple Man

You sure that isn't a Super Pastel Trick? Or something along those lines?

Regards,

B

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I was thinking the same thing.:gj:

I emailed Kevin Winter with some questions and I got this reply:

"The parents are a normal and a black pastel. I think Gary Liesen still has them but I do not have any pics. It is possible that the first mutation started in these snakes.

It appears that the codom gene for trick makes yellow just like the codom gene for yellow belly makes ivory. As we know, many codoms make variations of white snakes which still blows my mind. I am sooo glad that a super trick is not a white snake.

I am betting that the yellow in the super trick is xanthism. My trick lesser has much more yellow than a lesser and I bet a super trick lesser wil be a very yellow animal."

This just isn't making sense to me. The picture you have posted looks like a pastel. Not even a super "tricked out" pastel. Not say it isn't a super trick, but I would like to see the parents.

His response explains how they isolated the "trick" gene. It doesn't explain the yellow snake in the picture. :)

Regards,

B

I don't care what anybody says. That "super Trick" is a Pastel. I'll be willing to eat my statement if proven otherwise. Sounds like somebody has a bad marketing ploy here. Not to mention, the Lesser Trick doesn't have any more yellow than a regular Lesser in my eyes. Just curious Vitto...Where do you come into this project? I'm not coming at you sideways or anything, just curious. Why6 hasn't he came out and said all of this himself?

Is this the only one? Was it only Trick X Trick parents? Still some questions out there.

If this is a morph that amps yellow like that in Super form, it could be VERY useful, especially as you erase/change pattern.

Great looking snakes regardless of the morph!

Lol read the tile as "Trick ball is a condom"

Hey, we all substitue misspelled words.......

I understand that there need to answers to these questions. Heck, I have more and more myself. What I am sure of is that Kevin Winter is working this project. I saw that with my own eyes. He is one of 3 working this new morph. I have already replied to his email with follow up questions. I came about this while I was at a reptile seminar. Keven Winter was the guest speaker. I knew he was working the Liesen Line Trick project before going to the seminar. I found out from his website. I was interested because I have two dinker vanillas that I wanted to compare and contrast to his tricks. He brought the lesser trick and trick, among some others morphs to the meeting. He talked to me a good while about the project how the trick would be bred to different morphs by each breeder working the project as to not have redundancy. He also told me that is was codom and could send me pics. He doesn't have the codom. I believe Mr. Liesen has him. What I wanted to do is exactly what's happening. Questions need to be asked because this follows no genetic trends like other morphs. I also wanted to make the BP community aware that this project is being worked. I may just contact Mr. Liesen to get pics of the parents and concise explanation of how this came to be.

The " Liesen" Trick originated from the original "Liesen" Black Pastel. When Gary bred that animal it produced NO normals only Black Pastels and Tricks.

So is Trick then in complex with Cinny and Black Pastel, or was that just a fluke?

I was just emailing Gary the other day and have asked about this. I'll let you know what he says.

The story:
http://forums.kingsnake.com/viewarch...61614&key=2010

The "Super Trick" just looks like a Pastel to me as well. Has this snake been bred to prove that it is the "Super" form? Very odd...

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Originally Posted by DemmBalls

The "Super Trick" just looks like a Pastel to me as well. Has this snake been bred to prove that it is the "Super" form? Very odd...

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Yes it has. I wish the super form was a little, well different from a pastel, but I'd like to see how it changes up combos. Im sure it's going to act different than a pastel gene.

Came across this thread while I was surfing the web for photos of the spider trick Gary produced last season. In surfing through this thread, I vaguely recognized it and found a similar thread on a different forum. GARY ANSWERS QUESTIONs on the forum thread. It would be a good thing for y'all to maybe check out and see what Gary says about all of this. :) Here is the thread link:
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...=302509&page=5

Interesting read. Thanks for all those inputs :gj:

Hmmm..not sure what to make of this..

Anyone seen the Cheetah ball he has on kingsnake? I'm not promoting the sale of it in anyway at all. He said it was an Trick het. albino to a pinstripe het. albino. VERY good looking animal.