Champagne females less expensive than males?

I could have sworn I saw this thread made before... Why are female champagnes less expensive than male champagnes?? I plan to produce some enchi combos in the far future, and the enchi-champagne is probably the only champagne combo i really like.. i'd like to produce more stuff involving that combo, but i feel like there's some secret behind champagne females T.T.. something along the desert female fiasco =x...?

Is it just that since it's a dominant gene, it will take 2 years to raise up, and the prices on the champagnes will quickly drop??

Yep. That's how it is with relatively new morphs. I actually just got a 700g champ female this morning. Its funny becaue with new stuff the males are usually a lot higher than females but then as soon as females put on a few grams they are just as expensive because they then become useful for breeding relatively soon. So I could say price has a lot to do with how soon they can breed. Males and females >500 are about the same where as females <500 are significantly less because they are over a year out from breeding

And no I don't think champagne prices will drop as fast as say spiders in the past year. They will some but they won't tank and the combos will still be highly valuable

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Originally Posted by h00blah

Is it just that since it's a dominant gene, it will take 2 years to raise up, and the prices on the champagnes will quickly drop??

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Yup that's pretty much it. Doesn't necessarily mean quickly but they will drop to some extent.

Hmmm..... More possibilities.... Gah! This hobby is an addiction XD

The males are more expensive bc theyll reach sexual maturity in roughly 1/3 of the time of a female. Also because you can breed 1 male to multiple females. Therefore producing alot more of the morph.

I noticed that price discrepancy and thought it was a little odd (I feel like at this point in the game the females would be equal, at least, as so many folks have 3-4+ gene males to put to them), but yeah, I guess it's just that more folks want a male right now to plug into all of their adult co-dom females. It's always just gonna be supply and demand ...

I don't think there's any secret to them -- I can find a few references on here to folks producing nice healthy clutches from champ females (probably the most impressive example being this awesome gal here ...)

Most co-dom males start out more expensive. As others said, when you get in on the top layer of a morph, you want to make as many as possible as soon as possible. You buy a male, within a year or two you can make more (and by breeding multiple females) lots of them.

However, you gotta have the females for the supers, so eventually they become more expensive. If I want to make super pastels, I only need one pastel male, but if I want to make a lot, I need multiple pastel females. Hence the demand for females eventually can become higher.

In this case there is no Super, so I expect prices will continue to drop with males reaching the level of females in a few years.

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Originally Posted by Serpent_Nirvana

I don't think there's any secret to them -- I can find a few references on here to folks producing nice healthy clutches from champ females (probably the most impressive example being this awesome gal here ...)

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i've seen that thread before =]. amazing clutch he produced!

I'm glad it's just the market doing it's thing. I completely understand how the market prices will change on these doms and co-doms, but I was expecting it to be something more than that.

@Blue Apple Herps - Hurry up and make some more of those amazing female butters T.T.... :P

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Originally Posted by jinx667

In this case there is no Super, so I expect prices will continue to drop with males reaching the level of females in a few years.

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I dont think it will take that long.

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Originally Posted by jinx667

In this case there is no Super, so I expect prices will continue to drop with males reaching the level of females in a few years.

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How do we know there isn't a super? I've heard rumors and the results of one clutch but I think it's premature to state that there isn't a super.

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Originally Posted by Dave Green

How do we know there isn't a super? I've heard rumors and the results of one clutch but I think it's premature to state that there isn't a super.

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Fair enough. I was under the impression this is DOM. If there is a Super, that would be pretty big news. There are quite a few of them out there right now, and it would not benefit anyone not to come forward with that info since it would do nothing but help prices. But, I will defer to you on that as you are quite more versed than I am on the project. I will probably buy my first one from you in the future.

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Originally Posted by jinx667

Fair enough. I was under the impression this is DOM. If there is a Super, that would be pretty big news. There are quite a few of them out there right now, and it would not benefit anyone not to come forward with that info since it would do nothing but help prices. But, I will defer to you on that as you are quite more versed than I am on the project. I will probably buy my first one from you in the future.

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I think people have been working on combos and not too many have tried for the super...yet. I'm trying for the super myself, and I'm sure others are as well, so we should know soon enough.

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/p...mphetghost.jpg

Man, you have good looking Champagnes. I totally should have bought that paradox girl off you a while back.

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Man, you have good looking Champagnes. I totally should have bought that paradox girl off you a while back.

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Friend, you and I have similar taste in ball python morphs :P:gj:

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Originally Posted by jinx667

In this case there is no Super, so I expect prices will continue to drop with males reaching the level of females in a few years.

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Yeah, plus I don't think any of the champagne combos have just been "gotta have" or "gotta make that!!" combos. The original champagnes are cool, but beyond that, I don't think they're that much more special, already so extreme as is. So I imagine the price will fall fairly quickly over the next few years to easily under $1k.

Though if a super is produced, or some not yet produced combo is killer, that could change.

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Originally Posted by h00blah

@Blue Apple Herps - Hurry up and make some more of those amazing female butters T.T.... :P

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Haha!! Thanks. I hope my sex ratios are better this year. Three females total. It was brutal - but I did get only two normals out of all co-dom to co-dom breedings, so I can't complain too much!

The only "must have" combo I have seen is the Champagne Enchi, otherwise they all kinda look like a color or shade variation on an Champagne.

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Originally Posted by jinx667

The only "must have" combo I have seen is the Champagne Enchi, otherwise they all kinda look like a color or shade variation on an Champagne.

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Yeah, but I'd give more credit to the enchi part, enchi anything is pretty hot IMO. I keep thinking I need to get an enchi or two in my collection to work with.

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Originally Posted by jinx667

The only "must have" combo I have seen is the Champagne Enchi, otherwise they all kinda look like a color or shade variation on an Champagne.

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However, I believe the enchi portion in the champenchi could lead to more pattern mutations than just color changers. Which is why I want to jump into it! I have faith in the enchi! Just not the pastel champ.. or the lesser champ.. the hypo champ is pretty nice, but not worth me getting into... :gj:

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Originally Posted by Blue Apple Herps

Haha!! Thanks. I hope my sex ratios are better this year. Three females total. It was brutal - but I did get only two normals out of all co-dom to co-dom breedings, so I can't complain too much!

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Healthy baby morphs is a great season IMO :D. Especially since all of them were great examples of the morphs :bow:
I keep checking your available page to see those butters even though I know they're sold out :(... if you get anymore that look like that, feel free to send me a PM first ^_^. you know I will snatch those up! Heck, I might even buy a male since I'll be picking up some males and maybe another female or 2 next year :gj: