Multiple Sires?

Why do people seem to lock their females with a bunch of males? It would seem to me you'd want to know the genetics of the offspring. Unless...can multiple males fertilize a single clutch?


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Multiple males can fertilize the clutch. Therefor it can increase the variability of the clutch. Plus it makes it exciting not know what your gonna get :) Hope this helps.

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Why do people seem to lock their females with a bunch of males?

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Because they can ;), each year I pair a few females to 2 or 3 males dom or co-dom simply because regardless of the outcomes I know I will be satisfied with the results and have no specific preference. Now if I want to hatch something specific I will only pair the male that is needed to produce the specific combo I want.

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It would seem to me you'd want to know the genetics of the offspring. Unless...

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You will once the eggs hatch.

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can multiple males fertilize a single clutch?

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Yes they can. :gj:

As long as you aren't pairing a recessive gene male to her and a codom, for example, you would know who sired everything but the "normals" or any gene that both or neither male carried.

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Originally Posted by Gomojoe

Why do people seem to lock their females with a bunch of males? It would seem to me you'd want to know the genetics of the offspring. Unless...can multiple males fertilize a single clutch?


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It probably increases the chance of fertilization, however I wouldnt do it with recessive genes only inc/co dom and dom so I can tell who the sire was, and if they are normals from a inc/co dom or dom sire it doesnt really matter who the father was. Also like the other person said when the eggs hatch it will be like christmas, you could get some surprises.

I'm running 5 males through 4 females this year; should be interesting when they hatch!:D

So are eggs present when the fertilization occurs or does the female store the sperm and fertilize the eggs after they are formed?


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Originally Posted by Gomojoe

So are eggs present when the fertilization occurs or does the female store the sperm and fertilize the eggs after they are formed?


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I'm not an expert by any means but from my understanding they build the follicles and when they reach a certain size they are moved to the oviduct (ovulation) where they are fertilized by the sperm and then shelled. If they are fertilized they become eggs and if not they are slugs.

Cool so that would imply you can have multiple dads in a single clutch. Has anyone seen this proven?


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Originally Posted by Gomojoe

Cool so that would imply you can have multiple dads in a single clutch. Has anyone seen this proven?


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I assure you its possible. Ive seen people on here post about it happening before.
As far as the female storing the sperm i think its possible but not tht common. When she is ovualting that is when the sperm and the egg join forming a baby. Kinda like humans...a woman is more likely to get pregnant when shes ovulating, but that doesnt mean she cant get pregnant the rest of the time...
This is at least my understanding of it, but i havent bred yet so i could be wrong...

When you pair your females with multiple dom/co-dom males, wouldn't that also increase your chances of hatching normals?

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Originally Posted by SquamishSerpents

When you pair your females with multiple dom/co-dom males, wouldn't that also increase your chances of hatching normals?

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No, each male still produces the same odds. 50/50 It is odds per egg, not per clutch. One eggs results has no effect on the chances of the others. Hope this helps.

Nope because the odds are per egg, not per clutch. So it doesnt matter if you pair a spider, pastel and a pin to a female. No matter the male, each egg would have 50% chance of being a morph or 50% chance of being a normal.

The only way you could increase your chance of normals is if you were pairing a female with a super male and a single gene male because the super would give all morphs and the single gene would only have a 50% chance of producing a morph.

This season my mojave female is my hussy.

She's locked with my vanilla, my pastel, my mojave and my woma. My thinking is, no matter if I get vanilla mojaves, pastaves, bel's, mojave womas or just plain mojave's, I'll be happy. And if I hit one of each combo, I'll be playing the lottery!

Gale

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Originally Posted by aalomon

Nope because the odds are per egg, not per clutch. So it doesnt matter if you pair a spider, pastel and a pin to a female. No matter the male, each egg would have 50% chance of being a morph or 50% chance of being a normal.

The only way you could increase your chance of normals is if you were pairing a female with a super male and a single gene male because the super would give all morphs and the single gene would only have a 50% chance of producing a morph.

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Oh oops, that's what I was thinking of. I knew it was chance per egg, not per clutch.

It simply stacks the odds.

I had a Normal lay 9 eggs today that was bred with just about every non recessive gene carrying male I have...Can't wait to see what she produces!

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Originally Posted by Domepiece

It probably increases the chance of fertilization, however I wouldnt do it with recessive genes only inc/co dom and dom so I can tell who the sire was, and if they are normals from a inc/co dom or dom sire it doesnt really matter who the father was. Also like the other person said when the eggs hatch it will be like christmas, you could get some surprises.

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You can tell with recessives if you use visuals...

Ex...
Albino male, Pied male x Albino female...You could get all Albinos, all Normals or a split clutch...Any Normals produced would be 100% DH Albino Pied.

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Originally Posted by coldbloodaddict

You can tell with recessives if you use visuals...

Ex...
Albino male, Pied male x Albino female...You could get all Albinos, all Normals or a split clutch...Any Normals produced would be 100% DH Albino Pied.

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There wouldn't be any way to guarantee that the Pied sperm "did the deed" though, so you wouldn't really be able to sell them as 100% het. Pied.

They would be 100% het. Albino, or POSSIBLY 100% het. Albino Pied.

Or is my brain malfunctioning again? It's been a seriously long day.

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Originally Posted by SquamishSerpents

There wouldn't be any way to guarantee that the Pied sperm "did the deed" though, so you wouldn't really be able to sell them as 100% het. Pied.

They would be 100% het. Albino, or POSSIBLY 100% het. Albino Pied.

Or is my brain malfunctioning again? It's been a seriously long day.

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Yes your brain malfunctioning...LOL

Albino x Albino would produce all Albinos...So if you through a Pied in the mix and get any Normals they would have come from the Pied making them 100% DH Albino Pied...

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Originally Posted by coldbloodaddict

Yes your brain malfunctioning...LOL

Albino x Albino would produce all Albinos...So if you through a Pied in the mix and get any Normals they would have come from the Pied making them 100% DH Albino Pied...

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LOL okay. I haven't had any coffee today and usually by now I've had at least a pot, haha.

I GET IT I thought you meant het. Albino, Pied x Albino. Jeez, I'm going to stop coming here tonight haha

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Originally Posted by coldbloodaddict

You can tell with recessives if you use visuals...

Ex...
Albino male, Pied male x Albino female...You could get all Albinos, all Normals or a split clutch...Any Normals produced would be 100% DH Albino Pied.

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I got ya, I was just looking at it a bit differently. Say if you bred an albino, pied, ect, multiple recessive males to the same normal female you wouldnt know who was the father and what exactly any of them are 100% het for.

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Originally Posted by Domepiece

I got ya, I was just looking at it a bit differently. Say if you bred an albino, pied, ect, multiple recessive males to the same normal female you wouldnt know who was the father and what exactly any of them are 100% het for.

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Yes that scenario won't work...Unless You breed something like a male Pin Albino and a male Pastel Pied to a Normal female...You wouldn't know the Normals genetics, but any Pins would be het Albino and any Pastel would be het Pied.

As long as you only use codom and dom males, you'll know exactly who the father is unless they are normal, but then it really doesn't matter.