How much does a piebald cost?

I have a het piebald male and female, if I reproduce them, how much is the percentage of having piebalds? How much each baby would cost?

Thank you very much!

Het to het breeding will result in a 25% chance per egg of hitting on a pied...no guarantees you'll get any, but you may get a few. As far as price, it depends on when you'll be able to breed them. If you hatch them out this year, you may be able to get $550-650 by the end of the year. If you're 2-3 years out from breeding them, you'll be looking at significantly less. The supply vs. the demand is what will dictate your potential selling price.

Are they 100% het, 66% het, or 50% het?

Is it a het pied male and normal female or are they both het pied?? Also x2 on serpent merchants question

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Originally Posted by The Serpent Merchant

Are they 100% het, 66% het, or 50% het?

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I don't know :confused:

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Originally Posted by brittani72

Is it a het pied male and normal female or are they both het pied?? Also x2 on serpent merchants question

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Het pied male and het pied female.

Anyway what would I get if I reproduce a het pied male to a normal female?

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Originally Posted by RobNJ

Het to het breeding will result in a 25% chance per egg of hitting on a pied...no guarantees you'll get any, but you may get a few. As far as price, it depends on when you'll be able to breed them. If you hatch them out this year, you may be able to get $550-650 by the end of the year. If you're 2-3 years out from breeding them, you'll be looking at significantly less. The supply vs. the demand is what will dictate your potential selling price.

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Sorry, I didn't understand what you ment "If you're 2-3 years out from breeding them, you'll be looking at significantly less." I would be breeding them this November. How much would that be?

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Originally Posted by Blandini

Het pied male and het pied female.

Anyway what would I get if I reproduce a het pied male to a normal female?

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You get 50% hets, meaning it's 50/50 weather an individual normal looking snake from the pairing is het pied.

hmm where did you get these snakes?? if it was from a breeder, did they tell you they were het pied?? The percentages are the percent chance that your snake IS het pied (het means carries the gene). So basically your snakes are either het or they are not. This is what serpent merchant is getting at....Assuming that BOTH of your snakes are in fact het for pied then they have a 25% chance of producing a pied baby

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Originally Posted by Blandini

Sorry, I didn't understand what you ment "If you're 2-3 years out from breeding them, you'll be looking at significantly less." I would be breeding them this November. How much would that be?

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No one can say for sure what the market will be this year or next year. It changes drastically.

Being 2-3 years out from breeding means they are just babies and it will take you 2-3 years to get them up to adult size so they can breed.

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Originally Posted by Kinra

You get 50% hets, meaning it's 50/50 weather an individual normal looking snake from the pairing is het pied.

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And what about a het pied with a normal female?

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Originally Posted by Blandini

I don't know :confused:

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What did you buy them as? Just hets?

The 100%, 66%, and 50% refers to the chance that a snake that is labeled as het is actually het for that gene.

If a snake actually has the gene then it has a 50% chance in passing the gene on.

So if both actually do carry the gene, then each egg in the clutch has a 25% chance of being a visual pied.

The price of morphs changes each year as more and more are produced. Visual piebalds will go for somewhere around $500 next year, but if you don't have a good reputation built up you might have to settle for less.

Any snake from this clutch that is not a visual piebald will be considered 66% het piebald. They will sell for $50-$75 most likely.

Also you can go to this website to see snakes for sale and get a general idea of the going prices but remember that most of the people selling snakes here are professional breeders so they are going to get more money out of their snakes than you as a first time breeder would.

http://market.kingsnake.com/index.php?cat=32

this website will help you determine genetic possibilities
http://www.worldofballpythons.com/wizard/

and this one will help you understand genetics
http://www.ralphdavisreptiles.com/matrix/

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Originally Posted by Kinra

No one can say for sure what the market will be this year or next year. It changes drastically.

Being 2-3 years out from breeding means they are just babies and it will take you 2-3 years to get them up to adult size so they can breed.

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But I'm planning to sell the babies, not breeding them. How much do you think each pied baby could cost on the next year spring?

Another quick question: If I reproduce a het vs het, the normal babies also carry the recessive het gene right?

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Originally Posted by Blandini

And what about a het pied with a normal female?

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you would get half normals and half het pied's which means all of the snakes would look normal but have a 50% chance of being het pied so they would ALL be considered 50% het pied (meaning there is a 50% chance they carry the gene). Once those snakes are bred, it will show whether or not they are het pied so all of the guesswork goes out and each snake is labeled as either 100% het pied or just a normal.... make sense??

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Originally Posted by Blandini

But I'm planning to sell the babies, not breeding them. How much do you think each pied baby could cost on the next year spring?

Another quick question: If I reproduce a het vs het, the normal babies also carry the recessive het gene right?

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Some will some will not, but you can't tell the difference between the ones that are het, and the ones that are not. This is where the 100%, 66%, and 50% comes into play and why it is so important.

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Originally Posted by Blandini

But I'm planning to sell the babies, not breeding them. How much do you think each pied baby could cost on the next year spring?

Another quick question: If I reproduce a het vs het, the normal babies also carry the recessive het gene right?

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2/3 of the "normal" babies would carry the gene 1/3 would be completely normal and not carry the gene. So all the the babies would be considered 66% het until proven otherwise

I'm not really following you on your plans... you have het pieds correct?? but you are selling them?? cuz you have been asking about the selling prices of pieds not het pieds and there is a big difference. why do you want to know the prices?? are you planning on buying a pied??

No, he's breeding the het pieds and is only looking for a rough idea of what pieds will be worth by time he's able to sell them if they hatch out.

So the theoretical scenario here is that if het to het breeding resulted in 4 eggs, 1 will be a pied, 2 will be normals het pied, 1 will be normal...so the normals will be 66% het. Of course this is all theoretical statistics, so the result could be 4 pieds, it could be 4 normals.

Please just read this thread.. Every reply, since each one of us puts it in a different way so that no matter how your brain works you should understand the het thing..

This one uses albino as an example but it doesn't matter. The same rules apply to ALL recessive morphs. Albino, Pied, Clown, Caramel, Genetic Stripe, Axanthic, etc....

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showthread.php?t=164274

By the way... If you didn't buy your snakes from a reputable breeder who said they were 100% het pied, then I would not believe that they are 100% het pied. They could be 66% possible het or 50% possible het which means only breeding them and producing a visual pied baby would prove them as being 100%.

You will not produce hets with them though. Only 66% possible hets (if they are in fact 100% hets their selves) which then will need to be sold as 66% possible hets because they must be bred and proven.

Anyway.. Read that other thread so you'll understand the genetics of recessives..

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Originally Posted by Blandini

But I'm planning to sell the babies, not breeding them. How much do you think each pied baby could cost on the next year spring?

Another quick question: If I reproduce a het vs het, the normal babies also carry the recessive het gene right?

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No one can tell you how much a pied will sell for next spring. As I said it changes drastically. This time last year pieds were selling for $800-1000 and now they are selling for $500-600. It could go up this year or it could drop more. That is why no one can tell you how much they will sell for. There is a LOT you need to consider before breeding your snakes and not just how much the babies will sell for, such as what will you do with the babies before they sell. Can you afford to feed them all until they sell? Can you house them all? Have you considered that people are leery of buying hets from unknowns and there is a good chance you are going to have some trouble selling those?

100% het pied male bred to a 100% het pied female has a 25% chance per egg of producing a visual. You may not get any pieds, you may get a lot of pieds. It's all chance and we can only tell you statistically what the outcome should be in a perfect world. All the normal looking babies are called 66% het pieds because statistically every 2 out of 3 of them will be het pieds.

100% het pied male bred to a normal female will produce 50% het pieds because there is a 50% chance each baby carries half of the genetic code to produce a pied. That means in the perfect world half of the babies are normals and half are het pieds. You CANNOT tell the difference between a het and a normal.

ahhhh! ok he lost me when he said he was going to sell the babies not breed them cuz from his avatar his snakes look like they are just babies themselves.

in that case blandini do you know how old your snakes are and how much they weigh? you may not be able to breed them as soon as you would like if they are not big enough or old enough. by the time your snakes ARE big enough and old enough the market may have changed so its really difficult to predict how much the pied's and het pied's will be going for at that time. Also please make sure you fully research everything (and this site is a GREAT place to start) about breeding before you even decide it's something you want to do

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Originally Posted by Kinra

No one can tell you how much a pied will sell for next spring. As I said it changes drastically. This time last year pieds were selling for $800-1000 and now they are selling for $500-600. It could go up this year or it could drop more. That is why no one can tell you how much they will sell for. There is a LOT you need to consider before breeding your snakes and not just how much the babies will sell for, such as what will you do with the babies before they sell. Can you afford to feed them all until they sell? Can you house them all? Have you considered that people are leery of buying hets from unknowns and there is a good chance you are going to have some trouble selling those?

100% het pied male bred to a 100% het pied female has a 25% chance per egg of producing a visual. You may not get any pieds, you may get a lot of pieds. It's all chance and we can only tell you statistically what the outcome should be in a perfect world. All the normal looking babies are called 66% het pieds because statistically every 2 out of 3 of them will be het pieds.

100% het pied male bred to a normal female will produce 50% het pieds because there is a 50% chance each baby carries half of the genetic code to produce a pied. That means in the perfect world half of the babies are normals and half are het pieds. You CANNOT tell the difference between a het and a normal.

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What she is saying is any babies that come out looking like normals can only be sold as normals that are possible het pied. There really is no price difference there. Possible hets have almost no value. Almost all of us (breeders) sell our 66% and 50% possible hets as normals with a normal price tag. $20-$30 at shows and sometimes reptile shops that we trust or other sources. Almost no one will pay more than that because they have to be bred to a visual or a 100% het, and they must produce visuals before anyone will know if they actually carry that gene.

You won't make any money on possible hets. Please don't get into ball pythons thinking you're going to get a return. If you know this little about them, I guarantee you will not make a dime compared to what you spend on proper housing, food, incubation, starting and fattening up babies, etc... Most small time hobby breeders don't make money. If they have 20 breeder females they are happy to make back what they spend on taking care of and feeding the balls through the year. Plus the housing, care, and feeding of the rats that they breed.

A pair of Het Pied will cost you $250 to $300 by the time you produce a pied if you produce a pied they could very well sell for $100.

Obviously if you want to produce a pied you do not want to waste your time buying possible hets and trying to prove them out, could take YEARS may not even happen.

My advice to you before thinking about breeding and especially how much money you are gonna make, get some experience under your belt as a owner and in the mean time do some research on breeding, genetics, what breeding involves, the cost of breeding etc and than decide is it is still something you want to do.

I've sold pieds this year for $500-800 depending on the sex and amount of white. Best bet would be to get a low white male and better the odds.