Super black pastel x blue eyed lucy

I was just wondering what the outcomes would be. Would I get anything like panda pied (my favorite morph). Please tell me all the stuff I could get. Thank You

They are both supers and it depends on what genes your blue eye have, if it is super lesser, then they all will be black pastel lessers

No the luciatic genes will eliminate all other patterns and colors. Genetically you will have both the Lucy and black pastel but it will be an all white snake.

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Originally Posted by The Serpent Merchant

No the luciatic genes will eliminate all other patterns and colors. Genetically you will have both the Lucy and black pastel but it will be an all white snake.

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Huh? wrong
lol, as volcom said, the outcome would be all lesser black pastels or mojave black pastels or...

A Supers throw all incomplete dominate trait snakes, a super black pastel X normal throws all black pastels, same for the BEL, it will throw all lessers, or all mojaves, or all whatever gene was used to make the BEL

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Originally Posted by The Serpent Merchant

No the luciatic genes will eliminate all other patterns and colors. Genetically you will have both the Lucy and black pastel but it will be an all white snake.

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thats only if both carry the lesser gene, in these case its a super black pastel, a Bel cannot produce Bel if the other don't carry the (lesser, mojo and the other genes that produce bels)

Sorry hon, but breeding an all black snake to an all white snake will not produce the black and white panda pied. It would be nice if it worked that way, but it doesn't.

A Super Black Pastel carries two black pastel genes, so no matter what you breed it to, all the babies will carry black pastel.

A BEL on the other hand, can be made from several different combinations, and the resulting babies will depend on which combo made the BEL. BEL's can be made from Super Lessers, Super Mojaves, Super Butters and a few other super forms, or it can be made by mix and matching two of these genes, such as Lesser/Mojave. A Super form BEL will produce babies that are all the same gene the parent has two of. A combo BEL can produce babies of both genes it carries.

A pied on the other hand is recessive. It takes two pied genes to make a visual pied. So to make the elusive Panda Pied, you need two black pastels, both of whom are either het pied or visually pied, or one het and one visual. Each parent would need to contribute one black pastel gene and one pied gene, and then you hope like crazy the genes combine the right way and you get a visual super black pastel pied. However, even in the best case scenario, by breeding two visual black pastel pieds you still only have a 1 in 4 chance at hitting the panda pied. And if you are breeding with hets, it gets even harder. That is why there haven't been many panda's made yet.

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You could get several outcomes depending on the makeup of the BEL, but as said before they will all be Black Pastel XXXXXXX where XXXXXXX stands for one of the BEL complex genes.

You would get a lot of nice looking offspring, but none would be solid white or solid black, and nothing close to a Panda Pied.

I was assuming he ment in the long run since he mentioned a recessive/homo-Co-Dom (panda pied). Of course the initial breeding would produce black pastel, bel complex, or both. But what I think he is asking is what would a BEL super black pastel would look like.

To the OP to clarify what I was trying to say. If you put a super black pastel with a BEL you will have to potential to produce black pastels, BEL complex (whatever was used to create the BEL:Mojave, butter, lesser...) and a black pastel ______ (where the blank is one of the following:Mojave, butter, lesser... Once again whatever was used to produce the BEL)

If you take that animal say a black pastel lesser, and breed it to another black pastel lesser you have a shot at producing a BEL Super Black Pastel. Even though the snake carries the super black pastel genetics the leucistic genes will create an all white snake.

Hope this helps. I'm sorry if I caused any confusion.

[QUOTE=The Serpent Merchant;1741718]To the OP to clarify what I was trying to say. If you put a super black pastel with a BEL you will have to potential to produce black pastels, BEL complex (whatever was used to create the BEL:Mojave, butter, lesser...) and a black pastel ______ (where the blank is one of the following:Mojave, butter, lesser... Once again whatever was used to produce the BEL)

If you take that animal say a black pastel lesser, and breed it to another black pastel lesser you have a shot at producing a BEL Super Black Pastel. Even though the snake carries the super black pastel genetics the leucistic genes will create an all white snake.



So are u saying if I make black platinum x black platinum I should get super black pastel super lesser. Which is black and white.

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So are u saying if I make black platinum x black platinum I should get super black pastel super lesser. Which is black and white.

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No, it would not be black and white.

You are missing the Pied part of Panda Pied.

Panda Pied = Super Black Pastel & Piebald

BEL genes are not a factor.

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So are u saying if I make black platinum x black platinum I should get super black pastel super lesser. Which is black and white.

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That's not where he was going with that. The leucism made by the lesser x lesser would/should wash away the black made by the black pastel x black pastel.

Oops my bad. Lol

A simple answer
No. You cant make a Panda pied (super black pastel x Piebald)
from a Super black pastel x Lucy.

To make a Panda pied you need:

Black pastel het pied x Black pastel het pied
OR Black pastel Pied x Black Pastel Pied
OR Black pastel Pied x Black pastel het pied
Or Super Black Pastel het pied x Black Pastel het pied. etc..

basically both parents will need to contribute a black pastel and a pied gene in some way.

There is no Lucy in a Panda Pied , there is no other short cutting to the Panda unfortunately.

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No, it would not be black and white.

You are missing the Pied part of Panda Pied.

Panda Pied = Super Black Pastel & Piebald

BEL genes are not a factor.

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I'm sorry if I get this totally wrong again but if I just mix super black pastel x pied will that make panda pied or will the super black pastel just dominate the pied. Sorry for the stupid questions I would normally use world of ball pythons / genetic wizard 3.0 but it doesn't work for supers. Thank you guys for answering though. :)

Super black pastel x Pied = All Black pastel het Pied babies,

as in they all physically look like black pastels but also carry the piebald gene as well since piebald is recessive and black pastel is co-dominant

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I'm sorry if I get this totally wrong again but if I just mix super black pastel x pied will that make panda pied or will the super black pastel just dominate the pied. Sorry for the stupid questions I would normally use world of ball pythons / genetic wizard 3.0 but it doesn't work for supers. Thank you guys for answering though. :)

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If you breed a Super Black Pastel to a Piebald you will end up wih all Black Pastels het Piebalds. The trick to the Panda Pied is getting 2 Black Pastel and 2 Piebald genes into the same BP.

If you took 2 of those Black Pastel het Pieds and bred them together you would have a small chance of making your Panda Pied.

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