How common is the train tracks marking for het pieds?
So, I got my first ball back in July from a show. At the time I knew nothing about morphs, but since acquiring my snake I've become more and more interested in the genetics side of the hobby. The breeder I bought my normal from told me that his brother was a pied. I wish I could talk to the breeder about this but I've lost his contact info. Basically I am wondering if my normal is possibly het for pied. He doesn't have any train track markings. From what I understand, if my snake's sibling was a pied, then they must have come from either a pied-het for pied pairing or a het-het pairing. If it was pied-het, that would make my normal 100% het and if it was het-het, my normal would be 66% het. Is that right? But I also am under the impression that het for pieds often have markings, and since my normal was sold for 20$ as a normal, is that an indication that he's probably just a normal?
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Its just odd the breeder wouldn't be selling it as a 66% het pied (atleast thats what I would assume it to be). The tracks are hardly worth mentioning, some have them some don't. Some normals have tracks. It's not even worth bothering to look at unless your trying to pick out possible hets out of a clutch and that's even failed on someone I talked to.
I would find it odd for a breeder to sell a 66% het as a normal, even if he priced it as a normal, it would be a selling point to have it labeled as a 66% het.
If your snake is a female it wouldnt hurt to try and prove her out. If its a male I dont think its worth the time and effort to prove out a 66% het, hets are really cheap and visuals are even coming down quite a bit, I would rather invest in one of them before I proved out a 66% het male.
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Brandon Osborne
100% het males are often sold as normals. I had a high male clutch this year. I sold them to a pet store for $30 because most people are not interested in male hets. Happens more than you think.
I have heard of this. Even at shows.
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ReptilesK2
1/3 of my female hets actually has the "het pied markers".
All of my 100% hets have markers and the 50% and 66% animals also add up. So far, all possible , with markers, I have produced and kept track of have proven to be hets. Not all hets will have the "tracks" and as I've mentioned before, there is more to the marker than just the tracks. Some do not believe in the marker but I can say I do as well as a few "big name" breeders.
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In addition to the markers, if you've hatched enough hets and normals in the same clutch then you develop a pretty good eye at what else to look for. Pieds like to bring out the orange and it's night and day (for me anyways) when I'm looking at poss hets and normals. More often than not, the hets will have a lot of orange going up the sides and towards the vent area - almost like it's trying to be a ringer. Hard to explain w/out pics, but the regular tracks/markers are good........I definitely go by them when holding back het girls. The males go to friends or new snake keepers that I try to get into the hobby!
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I proved two 25% het pied girls last summer that where held back because of the markers followed through two generations.
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Mike41793
How do you get 25% het pied snakes? What were the parents?
My guess would be breeding a 50% pos het to a normal....which would have made his 50% pos het an actual 100% het.
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OhhWatALoser
If your snake is a female it wouldnt hurt to try and prove her out. If its a male I dont think its worth the time and effort to prove out a 66% het, hets are really cheap and visuals are even coming down quite a bit, I would rather invest in one of them before I proved out a 66% het male.
My snake was sold to me as male, but just recently I had someone with more experience than me pop 'him' and he thinks it's female! I had tried popping before and could never see anything, but I assumed that was just me being a noob. So if this is a female maybe I will be proving her out...
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mangopixie
My snake was sold to me as male, but just recently I had someone with more experience than me pop 'him' and he thinks it's female! I had tried popping before and could never see anything, but I assumed that was just me being a noob. So if this is a female maybe I will be proving her out...
Popping is only a good indicator of males. "Females" that do no pop should always be probed.....meaning you can't pop females and you can't always pop males. Taking someone's word on a popped female will always get you in trouble.
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Ya, I realize that at this point I simply don't know the sex
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I started my pied project with three 50% chance het pied males and normal females. I noticed that two of the males had the markers. By the time I finally produced clutches from them with about half markered 25% chance het girls the markers had become public (but still took years to be generally accepted, if even still not universally). I was a big enough believers in the markers to ended up using several other 25% and 50% chance males for new blood while I was waiting for the first markered 25% chance het girls to grow up. It only took me 10 years to produce pieds but last summer I finally got them from a markered 50% chance het pied male to two different markered 25% chance het females.
