Ballbids is back...

Just noticed on Facebook that Zack and Avi stated that Ballbids will be up and running again....AAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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when? they've been saying it for a while. I wonder what new screw ups they will have us this time..... I do have to say ballbids drama has been entertaining. Watching a guy who thinks he's a god crash a burn.... can't help but laugh.

just never forget....
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I guess they are not the smartest people :rolleye2:.Since they keep attempting to scam others and think we will just allow it :mad:..Well i still think anyone that gives them money is plain stupid.Of course you will pay for it in the long run i am sure :rolleyes:

I'm not worried about it. I don't think that even if they do start running again that they will ever be anything legitimate. They'll crash again I'm sure lol.

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Originally Posted by MiamiRoyalPythons

I'm not worried about it. I don't think that even if they do start running again that they will ever be anything legitimate. They'll crash again I'm sure lol.

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Well i have all ready started passing the word to everyone to shut them down when they try to restart it :gj:

Well i have been banned from ballscams :rofl::rofl::rofl:.Thats ok Zachy i can still warn everyone from REAL RESPECTED websites to steer clear of you two :gj::banana::banana::banana:

Zach just sent me this message from his facebook after he deleted my messages.

http://i1124.photobucket.com/albums/...0/ballbids.jpg

i saw it to on my face book page the other day and said here we go again i to have also been banned from the but i dont care i just hope the poeple that use that site get what the pay for and not a sick snake

Not sure where you are seeing they are up and running??? I went to ballbids.com and it still says what it said last time.

they posted it on the facebook page

I did notice that the Butter was supposedly won by a member here. Im shocked no one mentioned that but i recognized her name, screen name, and avatar immediately.. If, as the last thread stated, those snakes that were won/donated, or whatever actually were shipped, don't you think she would have said something?

I'm not doubting it actually happened, I'd just really like some confirmation from the person herself that the snake was received. Instead of just seeing that FedEx actually delivered them.

so who will be supplying their "products" now?
spooky

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Originally Posted by Foschi Exotic Serpents

I did notice that the Butter was supposedly won by a member here. Im shocked no one mentioned that but i recognized her name, screen name, and avatar immediately.. If, as the last thread stated, those snakes that were won/donated, or whatever actually were shipped, don't you think she would have said something?

I'm not doubting it actually happened, I'd just really like some confirmation from the person herself that the snake was received. Instead of just seeing that FedEx actually delivered them.

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Monica i wanted to thank you for putting up the 1967 Camaro i won last weekend :banana:.Of course this never happened but you get my point though right :gj:.Sorry Zach but no one made you get mad but yourself.When you come to these forums and try to tell us we dont know jack but you know everything.Well you got put in your place and got butt hurt and you know the rest :rofl::rofl::rofl:.So like i wrote on your FB page(you cant remove this one :D).If anyone is stupid enough to fall for your rip off tactics DO NOT COME TO US WHEN YOU HAVE PROBLEMS OUT OF THESE CLOWNS :colbert::colbert:.You were warned on EVERY well known site to avoid them.

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Originally Posted by joepythons

Monica i wanted to thank you for putting up the 1967 Camaro i won last weekend :banana:.Of course this never happened but you get my point though right :gj:.Sorry Zach but no one made you get mad but yourself.When you come to these forums and try to tell us we dont know jack but you know everything.Well you got put in your place and got butt hurt and you know the rest :rofl::rofl::rofl:.So like i wrote on your FB page(you cant remove this one :D).If anyone is stupid enough to fall for your rip off tactics DO NOT COME TO US WHEN YOU HAVE PROBLEMS OUT OF THESE CLOWNS :colbert::colbert:.You were warned on EVERY well known site to avoid them.

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Joe, you'll just have to be patient.. It's been too cold to drive the Camaro and my Internet crashed so I couldn't email you about that flat tire anyway.. I promise it's behind my garage under a tarp and I'll get it to you as soon as I can.. I just need to get a key made... And file for a lost title.. No big deal!! It's all good!! I got this!!

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Originally Posted by Foschi Exotic Serpents

I did notice that the Butter was supposedly won by a member here. Im shocked no one mentioned that but i recognized her name, screen name, and avatar immediately.. If, as the last thread stated, those snakes that were won/donated, or whatever actually were shipped, don't you think she would have said something?

I'm not doubting it actually happened, I'd just really like some confirmation from the person herself that the snake was received. Instead of just seeing that FedEx actually delivered them.

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http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...290982&page=30 see post #299. I believe that's the whole of any confirmation outside of the single person who won all the other auctions.

I'm not sure we need another rancor-filled 30-page post on ballbids at this time, but hopefully they've learned something and will try to correct their mistakes.

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Originally Posted by Foschi Exotic Serpents

Joe, you'll just have to be patient.. It's been too cold to drive the Camaro and my Internet crashed so I couldn't email you about that flat tire anyway.. I promise it's behind my garage under a tarp and I'll get it to you as soon as I can.. I just need to get a key made... And file for a lost title.. No big deal!! It's all good!! I got this!!

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So you mean all those tickets(AKA bids) i bought were for nothing :tears::tears::tears:.:8:

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Originally Posted by wwmjkd

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...290982&page=30 see post #299. I believe that's the whole of any confirmation outside of the single person who won all the other auctions.

I'm not sure we need another rancor-filled 30-page post on ballbids at this time, but hopefully they've learned something and will try to correct their mistakes.

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Oh one BIG thing since it was illegal the last time they attempted this stuff.I wonder how they are going to try to skate around it this time? Its like this even USARK suggest to avoid these two and that right there is enough for me.Of course along with the fact i know its a scam :rofl:

Actually Joe, if they do it correctly, it's not a scam. It's a hellofa business model that will make them a lot of money.

The only problem with it is that both of them are lying sacks of crap, not the idea itself.

Be patient. Maybe, ha, they'll do it right this time.

If not, all those torches on your porch will come in handy for the mob.

Ok, now who exactly are these people? I keep hearing about them everywhere.

Im just curious, i want to stay away from any scams.

I had to read the entire 20+ page thread on here on them to get the story myself. For a long time it actually seems legit but then... Dun dun dun.... BAM! It becomes pretty obvious something's up. More than once.

Give it a read through. Don't skip stuff. You'll see what I mean.

Here is the thread..

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showthread.php?t=160471

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Originally Posted by wilomn

Actually Joe, if they do it correctly, it's not a scam. It's a hellofa business model that will make them a lot of money.

The only problem with it is that both of them are lying sacks of crap, not the idea itself.

Be patient. Maybe, ha, they'll do it right this time.

If not, all those torches on your porch will come in handy for the mob.

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Wes i will give you first choice of the torches :gj:.

Given the stupidity of those two, I have little doubt you'll get to use those torches. But, let's give them a chance to deserve it first. Drop it out of overdrive for a few and see what happens. It's not like they're any good at being deceptive.

I know they think they are, but I think most 7th graders can do as well as those guys did.

I keep trying to stay away from this thread but its just too funny, this is the latest message from Zach on my facebook.

Me
There are tons of sucessful businesses including some of the top names in the industry that have warned everyone about your shady business. When the top names in the industry are saying stay away I tend to believe them.

about an hour agoZack Byers
lol like brian from bhb and usark? What about all the big guys not the small time hundred granders a year or less? You and your buds are gonna quite down real quick when you see the actual support we have. You are just making yourself look silly.

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Originally Posted by Rat160

I keep trying to stay away from this thread but its just too funny, this is the latest message from Zach on my facebook.

Me
There are tons of sucessful businesses including some of the top names in the industry that have warned everyone about your shady business. When the top names in the industry are saying stay away I tend to believe them.

about an hour agoZack Byers
lol like brian from bhb and usark? What about all the big guys not the small time hundred granders a year or less? You and your buds are gonna quite down real quick when you see the actual support we have. You are just making yourself look silly.

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A hundred grand a year is small time? Maybe I'm in the wrong field of work.

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A hundred grand a year is small time? Maybe I'm in the wrong field of work.

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I know. And I like how he mentions usark like they are nothing.


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Does this mean I have to 'like' their page again to enjoy the drama?!?
Guess I'll have to get the popcorn out. haha

People like this shouldn't be in the reptile industry. If you care only about profit, and not about the animals themselves you probably won't take good care of your herps.

:rolleyes: <- Enough said...lol

They are getting exactly what they want. Even bad exposure is still exposure. If your adamantly against them stop giving them publicity:gj:
If nobody pays attention to them they will go away on there own

The sad fact is, that zach considers "big guys" to be instantly judged on $$$$ rather than reputation. Speaks volumes about his priorities and ethics imo.
Guys, i would sharpen those pitchforks just in case.

Sent from my phone, to the Internet, to your screen.

Please read post 13.It shows the FULL truth about these two clowns.Wes lets get our torches :P. http://www.pennyauctionwatch.com/for...ction-com.html

I wonder how many of the people that are falling for this are prepared to have their identity stolen or money taken from their accounts.. You'd be just plain dumb to submit any info to a site like this.

Are there people thinking, " oh I'll give it a shot and see. So what if it turns out to be a scam. I only lost a few dollars. If it isn't a scam it's worth possibly winning an unknown morph for $2 that may give my collection bugs & sickness :)"

If it IS a scam, they may have only lost a few dollars, and these 2 may be put out of business, but not before they have one heck of a list of personal information they can use to their advantage in the future..... Think about that...

Proof that Zack lied to all of you and was indeed forced to shut down and had nothing to to with technical difficulties
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/j...rm/BBEmail.jpg

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=1&theater

just another thing to add to the list of things they lied about, wonder how hes gonna talk his way out of this one and convince himself he wasn't lying.

...and I thought we needed a relaunch for more screw ups to come out. just gets better and better

i just dont see how ballbids would be able to get ANY breeder to supply them with snakes. if i was ANY breeder,, i wouldent touch that with a 20 foot pole.
spooky

Oh bad things are going to happen Im sure.. If they do manage to get the proper license, which I don't think they can if auctioning animals is illegal in KY, they will pick up cheap snakes anywhere they can. Look at the few big wholesalers there are. There are a couple on kingsnake that advertise at all times. Every type of reptile you can imagine. They wouldn't care where their animals are going because they are flippers them selves.

IF and that's a big if... If they manage to get this thing going again, anyone who actually doesn't get cheated and does get a snake from them is going to be bringing who knows what into their home and collection.

It will potentially harm the entire community in many many ways. They just have no idea...

Not only does it look terrible for our cause.. Our fight against these snake ban bills and rule change additions, but it will impact us in other ways.

Oi.

and where is Avi? he probabaly thought this thing out and dident want this black mark haunting his future.
spooky

Well figured I'd try him on google plus since he can't help but respond and he can't delete anything there. My previous conversation with him, called him out on his server crash and how it was impossible for things to go the way he said they did. His response was hes not the tech guy, but he assures me the impossible events happened. that was a month or so ago

but I figure he should at least get a chance to say something about the email being passed around on every forum now

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Well figured I'd try him on google plus since he can't help but respond and he can't delete anything there. My previous conversation with him, called him out on his server crash and how it was impossible for things to go the way he said they did. His response was hes not the tech guy, but he assures me the impossible events happened. that was a month or so ago

but I figure he should at least get a chance to say something about the email being passed around on every forum now

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So it is real...? I kinda thought it was fake at a first glance but I don't use Gmail. So my opinion is none. :P

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Originally Posted by zeion97

So it is real...? I kinda thought it was fake at a first glance but I don't use Gmail. So my opinion is none. :P

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here same thing in my gmail. Gimp is only open to cut the picture out, no editing, not gonna even blur anything. Im sure marcin won't mind me advertising his snake measure program it's actually pretty sweet, does curved lines and stuff. this is him just answering a few questions I had about some of the features. but as you can see, its in my sent folder because i sent him a question, and he responded. no reason to call it fake based off of that. I guess i didn't click the down arrow to get the full email details, but yea i see nothing fake looking about it. whether the information is good or not... you know as much as I do.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...loser/mine.png

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

here same thing in my gmail. Gimp is only open to cut the picture out, no editing, not gonna even blur anything. Im sure marcin won't mind me advertising his snake measure program it's actually pretty sweet, does curved lines and stuff. this is him just answering a few questions I had about some of the features. but as you can see, its in my sent folder because i sent him a question, and he responded. no reason to call it fake based off of that.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...loser/mine.png

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Which would mean as of now the mail is real. Thanks man. :) have a good night! Gotta love opening a restaurant..lol

Reading about the programming of the site and the programmer leaving back doors through security, makes me cringe. I don't know very much about programming, but from what I read, customer's information could be compromised.

It is also obvious that Zach and Avi are just the front men in the scheme. The programming, hardware, web services, advertising and purchasing of snakes takes a lot of money. I would guess in the tens of thousands of dollars. More money than I believe Zach and Avi have the ability to invest, given their age and background.

Someone is financially backing them and has put a lot of money into the deal. I suspected that they just shut down to obtain the proper licensing and permits. I'm sure their investors will want some return on that investment. So, they will probably be back.

Can you say 'trust fund babies'?

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Originally Posted by Don

Reading about the programming of the site and the programmer leaving back doors through security, makes me cringe. I don't know very much about programming, but from what I read, customer's information could be compromised.

It is also obvious that Zach and Avi are just the front men in the scheme. The programming, hardware, web services, advertising and purchasing of snakes takes a lot of money. I would guess in the tens of thousands of dollars. More money than I believe Zach and Avi have the ability to invest, given their age and background.

Someone is financially backing them and has put a lot of money into the deal. I suspected that they just shut down to obtain the proper licensing and permits. I'm sure their investors will want some return on that investment. So, they will probably be back.

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Well it really does not matter who is fronting the money its illegal to do what they are doing in the state they live in.So if they attempt to launch it again myself and several other WILL make the proper phone calls to shut them down again.THATS A PROMISE ZACH OLE BOY :D.To be honest i think they are looking to get peoples info of there credit cards or such to rip them off that way.One way or the other if you give them "a try" you will be sorry in the long run.

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Originally Posted by Don

Reading about the programming of the site and the programmer leaving back doors through security, makes me cringe. I don't know very much about programming, but from what I read, customer's information could be compromised.

It is also obvious that Zach and Avi are just the front men in the scheme. The programming, hardware, web services, advertising and purchasing of snakes takes a lot of money. I would guess in the tens of thousands of dollars. More money than I believe Zach and Avi have the ability to invest, given their age and background.

Someone is financially backing them and has put a lot of money into the deal. I suspected that they just shut down to obtain the proper licensing and permits. I'm sure their investors will want some return on that investment. So, they will probably be back.

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I never herd of any back doors, I would be interested in that if you got a link. I do know their security was almost non-existent, they didn't even use SSL. That's just something a no body like me noticed. All information is sent as plain text, tap into it it's perfectly readable.

Supposedly Avi programmed the entire thing himself. they are renting hosting, they could be paying less than 100 a year. It doesn't do much calculating besides any search functions from what I can see, just displays information, they wouldn't need some mega host, very cheap. I don't know how much they spent on snakes or advertising. There no reason to assume tens of thousands of dollars.... that's pretty outrageous claim I have to say. Assuming he programmed it himself, it could be easily be funded by them. I see no reason to assume investors.

If you read the link posted above, the programmer charges $13,000 to build a penny auction site and he leaves back doors. Given that plus the costs of the morphs auctioned plus advertising. I think costs could easily run that high.

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Originally Posted by joepythons

Please read post 13.It shows the FULL truth about these two clowns.Wes lets get our torches :P. http://www.pennyauctionwatch.com/for...ction-com.html

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This is the link about he cost to build and the back door.

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Originally Posted by Don

If you read the link posted above, the programmer charges $13,000 to build a penny auction site and he leaves back doors. Given that plus the costs of the morphs auctioned plus advertising. I think costs could easily run that high.

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Reading the thread is pretty obvious the guy is just reusing old code and code he found on the net for free. Later in the thread it says the "backdoor" doesn't even work. The only association I see to ballbids is a idle page that is supposedly a copy, which is supposedly 8 lines of java script code that can be found on the net for free. Avi could of copied the same code. The guy never mentions affiliation with them from what I see. or if i'm completely missing something let me know.

I'm not defending them, I'm just trying to keep things factual with the information at the time. We don't need false information out there, they dug their hole deep with the undeniable events.

I admit that I'm not a programmer or understand the profession, but people on that site showed concern that customer data was sent via text and not encrypted. Also, from what I read they were concerned with customer data security.

I also agree that information out there should be factual because Zach and Avi will sink themselves without false information. False information and accusations just give them credibility and give them red herrings.

There was no talk of the site security and I think folks who don't read everything available should understand the risks. If you don't see risks after reading that thread, then you do have a better understanding of programming these sites than I. Thanks for your insight.