Gaming Exploitations

Do you find anything wrong with exploiting in game mechanics?

For example, in Skyrim, there's a guy in Riverwood that will be my companion. As a companion, I can freely give to and take items from him. He also happens to be an Archery Trainer. So I pay him for them training and then I open trade with him and take it back. I rinse and repeat. I basically get free training.

In old school days, there was a turtle (koopa troopa I think they were called) on a certain stair case that if you time your jumps right, you could max out your 1-UP's and not have worry about dying amd running out of lives before you beat the game.

I personally have no problem with these things but it seems some people do. They think it makes the games to easy. I disagree. I have no problem taking advantage of in-game mechanics for my personal benefit. It's not like I have hacked the game. Most PC games have built-in god modes and cheat codes anyway. So it's not like they discourage it.

So what do you guys think?

Personally I'm okay with taking advantage of in game mechanics if you're playing alone. When playing single player it's your game to be played how you want to play it. It's up to you what you do and how you play. If the game is still fun for you even with maxed out 1-UP's then yes do that but if it makes it too easy and you're not having fun anymore then you're losing site of what games are supposed to be. That koopa troopa is still there in the new Mario for the 3DS too and it doesn't hurt to have those extra lives since the 3D mechanics can be a bit confusing at times. What I don't like though is playing online with people that are blatantly cheating. NFS: Hot Pursuit comes to mind...People would disappear underground and then reappear randomly. Sometimes driving the entire course underground. This allowed them to avoid any obstacles or attacks from other players - avoiding the entire point of the game. This bothers me (and I see it as different) because you're not just playing by yourself but you're now making MY experience lame because I can't even race you. You're taking away from what the game is supposed to be and you're not using any skill to beat me...you're cheating.

I just woke up so if this doesn't make sense I'll clarify in a minute. lol

I agree 100% with babyknees - cheats used to run rampant in Counter-Strike, for example, and it made playing the game miserable for quite a long time. Everything from replacing the models with high-visibility ones to teleporting into the opposition's base at the start of a round. It all sucked. If you're only modifying your own experience, fine, but don't mess with mine. Lag and server-side problems are enough to deal with without cheaters/hackers screwing around with things too...

In the scenario you gave, I think it is completely fine. As long as what you do doesn't effect others, which in your case it doesn't. Now if for example, in COD MW3 you had lives, and there was a cheta for more lives and we were playing online, I would see how it is unfair. But if it doesn't effect anyone, then who cares. Those who complain are losers who thin kthey are the video game Gods and need to find something better to do with their lives.

Honestly, I'm perfectly fine with it all. IMO if you're clever enough to figure out that you can do it, then you merit the benefit.

No, I do not find anything wrong with it, but I also think that it can make a game less fun. I have read that you can also put in codes in Skyrim to give yourself unlimited life. In my opinion, that would ruin the game. Part of the fun is the challenge.

Non-PC related, what do you all think about exploiting card games, for example card counting in blackjack?

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Originally Posted by Wh00h0069

Non-PC related, what do you all think about exploiting card games, for example card counting in blackjack?

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Card counting is pretty darn tough, so my opinion on it is the same. If you're smart enough to count cards and get away with it, then you kind of earned it, whether it's conventionally "fair" or not.

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I always feel a bit bad when I exploit bugs in the game, but if it's not a bug and it's just a part of the game that happens to work well for me, I generally have no problem using it. Hidden developer chests, stealing back money after purchases (like with Heralds in Assassin's Creed) and other things that are in the game and just needed to be discovered, I will use and then I laugh thinking about how much easier and faster it is than having to earn it all on my own.

"fun" is different for everyone. some people have fun having an unfair advantage over the game.. and some people prefer the challenge of it all. thats why people will cheat in online games lol. once they can become invincible, they have fun making everyone mad... :rolleyes:

a long time ago, i used cheat codes (not bugs) to become invincible in a single player campaign mode of a game, and it was fun just running through and looking at all the AI try to kill me lol. I got through the story pretty quickly..


edit: LOL.. didn't really respond to the Q.. as far as using bugs in game to take a shortcut, i personally find it boring. i know someone who will brag about how good hes doing in a game, and how he has no trouble completing the most difficult parts... in an MP game, he tells everyone about how high his rank is and how he's really good.. he told me that he will use bugs or cheats in single player.. and he mentioned to another person that he paid for his high level mp account.... THATS where it bothers me lol. go ahead and use those things, but be humble about it, and don't brag about how you succeeded faster than most people...

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Originally Posted by Alexandra V

Card counting is pretty darn tough, so my opinion on it is the same. If you're smart enough to count cards and get away with it, then you kind of earned it, whether it's conventionally "fair" or not.

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Card counting does take some skill. I think that learning to card count would not be so tough. It just takes a lot of practice. Actually card counting at a casino and getting away with it, on the other hand, is where it gets complicated.

I personally just use the basic strategy when I play, which gives me pretty good odds.

I have no problem exploiting things in games like skyrim that arent multiplayer. If there are cheats that 12 yeat olds use on xbox live THEN it gets annoying lol!

Thanks for all the replies. And I don't mind the deviations.

How about this. When I played WoW, I got my butt handed to me in PVP all the time. After watching enough videos I learned that all the good PVPers had expensive custom keyboards and mice (like Razor) that they could preload commands to. In a nut shell, they could do in 1 click or button press what in would take me 4 or 5 to do.

So, do think it's cheating to use high end gear to be a head of the competition?

My take is that if I had the money, I'd do the same thing. I feel if you've earned that kind of money then you've earned the right to spend it on things that make you perform better (even if it's not really you that's better).

That just reminded me of modded controllers. Not just aesthetically but the ones with rapid fire and all sorts of auto features. Where does that come into all of this?

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Originally Posted by babyknees

That just reminded me of modded controllers. Not just aesthetically but the ones with rapid fire and all sorts of auto features. Where does that come into all of this?

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This reminds of type 95 noobs in call of duty!!!!!!! So frustrating!!!

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Originally Posted by MasonC2K

Thanks for all the replies. And I don't mind the deviations.

How about this. When I played WoW, I got my butt handed to me in PVP all the time. After watching enough videos I learned that all the good PVPers had expensive custom keyboards and mice (like Razor) that they could preload commands to. In a nut shell, they could do in 1 click or button press what in would take me 4 or 5 to do.

So, do think it's cheating to use high end gear to be a head of the competition?

My take is that if I had the money, I'd do the same thing. I feel if you've earned that kind of money then you've earned the right to spend it on things that make you perform better (even if it's not really you that's better).

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I think it's fair to use, but they should somehow separate those who have that advantage. Like they say "you gotta pay to play". Some people go over the top and get all this gear to be the best, while others play for fun. At the end of the day it's all about w.e floats your boat.

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Originally Posted by MasonC2K

(even if it's not really you that's better).

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this comment is what makes modded controllers or custom keyboards unacceptable.. however, in tournament or competitive play, if all players were on the same level as far as equipment, and they had to setup their own custom commands, then it doesn't matter to me... that's just strategy..

modded controllers with rapid fire or the double shot/BXR (halo 2) macro buttons are cheap, and should not be used... people get banned for that stuff... lol so obviously it's not okay.

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

This reminds of type 95 noobs in call of duty!!!!!!! So frustrating!!!

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the type 95 is a precision weapon just like the M16 or the MK14. i don't consider this the best weapon lol. I wtfpwn type95 users with any other AR + better accuracy :D:P. unless they have focus... which nobody does :gj:

Re: Single Player games - Go for it if you enjoy it... you bought it to have fun. What sucks for me is discovering the exploits though. For example, in Skyrim I REALLY wanted the Dragonplate Armor. When I realized you could skill all the way up to 100 by making leather bracers that are inexpensive at vendors, it took a lot of the fun out of the game for me. Now when I log in, I can AFK and let mammoths beat on me for 5 minutes and come back and not be dead. The epicness of epic armor comes from the epic journey to obtain it, yes? That's what's most fun for me. I still did it, though... because I NEEDED that armor!

Re: Multiplayer games - I'm strictly against exploits in this case because they have a negative impact on the other players and you're acting outside of the design of the game (a design which also includes interaction/competition with other players).

Re: Naga Mouse and Keybinds - I played WoW at a world ranked level for several years. The game designers can and did adjust the coding in the game to reduce the complexity of binds that are allowed. This shows that they consciously decided these capabilities should be part of the game design. I also played with people at that world ranked level who used a regular mouse and keyboard and the default Blizzard UI. That shows that the advantage the hardware gives is not required to play at the upper-most level.

Re: Counting cards... If the entity losing money is a casino, go for it. They screw people out of money every day. I have a friend whose father is an accountant and a well-respected member of an affluent community. Once or twice a year he flies to Reno, counts cards, and comes back with 10 - 15 k in winnings. Every time. At first I'd say more power to the guy, but one way to check if a given action is moral or not is to imagine the consequence if everyone decided to make said action. While I love to see the casino lose - I ultimately can't say that this is a particularly acceptable practice.

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Originally Posted by MasonC2K

Thanks for all the replies. And I don't mind the deviations.

How about this. When I played WoW, I got my butt handed to me in PVP all the time. After watching enough videos I learned that all the good PVPers had expensive custom keyboards and mice (like Razor) that they could preload commands to. In a nut shell, they could do in 1 click or button press what in would take me 4 or 5 to do.
So, do think it's cheating to use high end gear to be a head of the competition?

My take is that if I had the money, I'd do the same thing. I feel if you've earned that kind of money then you've earned the right to spend it on things that make you perform better (even if it's not really you that's better).

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That is cheating. I played as a Gladiator in WoW and in no way was using a multi-function macro on a single key be legal. Now, rebinding keys and setting /use macros was acceptable. As far as exploiting game mechanics, if it's in any sort of single player I think it's perfectly fine. Although, when other players start being involved I don't feel thats fair.

I've decided to put together a list of games I enjoy cheating on, games I occasionally cheat on, and games I've decided to never cheat on again.

Enjoy cheating on-
Any COD game- Nothing is funnier than a raging 12 year old that you've killed more than 10 times. The Care Package glitches on MW2 were hilarious. Don't have any modded controllers except for paint. Not worth losing everything I've worked for on my XBL profile lol
Board/ card games

Occasionally cheat on-
Skyrim
Oblivion
COD Campaign

Don't cheat on-
Pokemon- Unlimited rare candies, shinies, and being able to have any pokemon at any time with any stats or moves kinda kills the entire game.
Assassin's Creed- I don't even think it's possible to cheat on this lol. But I do enjoy playing around with graphic bugs.


Most of the time I only cheat to have fun with other people that can't control themselves. Usually with friends. If it breaks the game for me, I try to avoid it.

Finding exploits is fun. I wont look for them, but if i run across them on accident i would just use it to my advantage. I guess its however "one" decides to play. Skyrim is RPG, so some players take it real serious. Im just a leisure gamer on the other hand. :)

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Originally Posted by Wh00h0069

Non-PC related, what do you all think about exploiting card games, for example card counting in blackjack?

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Card counting is *not* cheating. It's just paying attention and playing to win. The casinos just kick you out for it because, as businesses, they can choose to refuse service to anyone, and they would rather serve those who typically lose money than those who typically win.