axanthic lines?

With the different lines of axanthic out there which line as adult seems to not brown out as much? Joliff, VPI, or snake keeper? If you own one pics with what line would be awesome, thanks all.

I don't have pics but I have the TSK line I'll be working with this year.

VPI seems to keep it's colour the best, It's the one breeders are buying for their own breeding projects. Mind you every axanthic line has good and bad examples, but VPI seems to lead the market with better quality and colour retention. TSK line browns out the most and often times, the end result doesn't end up looking like much more than a normal ball python.

If your working with a TSK line already, your best bet is to throw some pastel in there are brighten it up (which is what I am doing) - but if your looking for a line to work with, VPI every time.

this link will show you the difference in the axanthic lines http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/axanthic/

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/mo...anthic-pastel/ here's a link to the pastel axanthics, theres an option for the vpi line as well.

cheers.

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http://www.worldofballpythons.com/mo...anthic-pastel/ here's a link to the pastel axanthics, theres an option for the vpi line as well.

cheers.

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Yeah I have been looking on there trying to decide which one down the road to get. The VPI isn't the one that is called black axanthic though right? That is another line on it's on? Haven't seen any labeled black axanthic up for sale.

I'm excited to see more of the black axanthic line VPI is working with. Looks like they only proved it out to be recessive in 2008, so it may be a while until we see much of them. Nice looking snake, said to hold color completely as it grows. Can also be seen on World of Ball Pythons.

I'm not huge fan of the black ax, or the red ax for that matter. Never got into the colour on them. The blacks remind me a lot of the cinnamon which i'm not a big fan of either. That's just me. It is interesting to see what they may go into though.

Cheers.

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I'm excited to see more of the black axanthic line VPI is working with. Looks like they only proved it out to be recessive in 2008, so it may be a while until we see much of them. Nice looking snake, said to hold color completely as it grows. Can also be seen on World of Ball Pythons.

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Yeah it's nice Justin has a morph101 on it. I'm just itching to add something else to the collection and thought I'd look into axanthic some. Need some more females :D

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I'm not huge fan of the black ax, or the red ax for that matter. Never got into the colour on them. The blacks remind me a lot of the cinnamon which i'm not a big fan of either. That's just me. It is interesting to see what they may go into though.

Cheers.

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Oh really, I have a black pastel was the first bp I brought home. So Black axanthic, resembles that hmmm seeing them in person Would make this so much easier.

well to me they do, I'm just not a huge fan of the dark, heavy patterned morphs. there's nothing wrong with them - they just don't do anything for me.

The red axanthic is another one I'm a big fan of....I'm generally a fan of darker, busier morphs. Best thing about it though is that it's a super form, so anything paired to it would produce minimally all het red axanthics. the het red combos I've seen are all pretty nice too, and there's a lot more to be seen from them in combos.

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Yeah I have been looking on there trying to decide which one down the road to get. The VPI isn't the one that is called black axanthic though right? That is another line on it's on? Haven't seen any labeled black axanthic up for sale.

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Justin Kobylka put up a Het Black Axanthic for sale a few weeks ago. its still up on his site. The listing says that this is the first time he has put anything from his Black Axanthic project up for sale.

I like the Joliff's for the tiger banding that they display as well.

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Justin Kobylka put up a Het Black Axanthic for sale a few weeks ago. its still up on his site. The listing says that this is the first time he has put anything from his Black Axanthic project up for sale.

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That het does resemble a black pastel to me, and I did a search on more of the Black Axanthic and I think the GHI has more going on for that dark of a snake but my wallett wouldn't like it one bit.

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I like the Joliff's for the tiger banding that they display as well.

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Joliff's are nice, I just need to save up and go to one of the big shows to see more snakes in person.

I've been told my big male is axanthic, just not sure the line, the breeder I got my cinny from said something that started with a G? Heres pic...lol.. Yall tell me....

http://i752.photobucket.com/albums/x...30935414_n.jpg

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I've been told my big male is axanthic, just not sure the line, the breeder I got my cinny from said something that started with a G? Heres pic...lol.. Yall tell me....

http://i752.photobucket.com/albums/x...30935414_n.jpg

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personally I don't see axanthic but a better picture would help :) - If it is axanthic I would guess TSK because it's very brown, if he said it started with a G he might be thinking of the Joliff line. Like i said there is browning in every line. You can have a VPI that browns out completely, and a TSK ax that keeps its colour. But 90% of the time if you go with TSK you'll end up with a brown snake in the long run.

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personally I don't see axanthic but a better picture would help :) - If it is axanthic I would guess TSK because it's very brown, if he said it started with a G he might be thinking of the Joliff line. Like i said there is browning in every line. You can have a VPI that browns out completely, and a TSK ax that keeps its colour. But 90% of the time if you go with TSK you'll end up with a brown snake in the long run.

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Better pic I think...lol...

http://i752.photobucket.com/albums/x...1-17125828.jpg

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Better pic I think...lol...

http://i752.photobucket.com/albums/x...1-17125828.jpg

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sorry man i personally don't see it - but thats the problem with some of the axanthics - when the reach adulthood it can be hard to tell if they are axanthic.

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I've been told my big male is axanthic, just not sure the line, the breeder I got my cinny from said something that started with a G? Heres pic...lol.. Yall tell me....

http://i752.photobucket.com/albums/x...30935414_n.jpg

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I did more research and your breeder friend may have meant the Graziani line which originated from TSK. yours may very well be an axanthic if its this line. How does your breeder friend know that it is?

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I've been told my big male is axanthic, just not sure the line, the breeder I got my cinny from said something that started with a G? Heres pic...lol.. Yall tell me....

http://i752.photobucket.com/albums/x...30935414_n.jpg

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Normal...Could be het or poss het Ax, but not knowing the line makes that irrelevant.

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I agree no matter what line it is just not an ax. Really even with browning out they generally will turn a muddy color. But you will still be able to tell. Ax means the lack of red or yellow pigment. You can tell that this animal is a normal poss het Ax but not an ax.


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