Cinny or No?

Ok, so I hatched this guy out a couple months ago and was sure he was a cinny. Ive been advertising him for a while and went to meet someone last night. They took one look at him, said he was a normal and left. Im still sure this is a cinny, but I dont want to take the chance. So, does anyone else see a normal?

Pre First Shed
http://www.iherp.com/Gallery/88170/7...ImZ8r35quA.jpg

Post First Shed
http://www.iherp.com/Gallery/88170/7...lLCskoMYek.jpg

Current
http://www.iherp.com/Gallery/88170/7...E7BP4xzGhn.jpg

I think it's a cinny with a busy pattern. The head and the eyes look like a cinny, but the pattern is funky. I still think it's a cinny though. :)

Cinny IMO.

Whats the pairing he was hatched from? Heres my cinny as a reference...

http://i752.photobucket.com/albums/x...2-10144637.jpg
http://i752.photobucket.com/albums/x...10144720-1.jpg
http://i752.photobucket.com/albums/x...2-10144551.jpg
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Yeah the guy who said it was a normal was slow in the head. That's what is wrong with the huge influx of hobby breeders. Someone owns 4 snakes and becomes a self proclaimed expert and breeder.

Bred my pewter female with a pewter and a calico. Only got two good eggs (and slugs, yay), this guy and a pastel. Great odds. :(

:DHands down,thats a Cinny! I cant beleive someone would have called him a normal. Id contact the guy back and send him a link to this thread to maybe educate him a little. If he thinks your Cinny is a normal,i wonder what he thinks a Cinny is supposed to be/look like:confused:

I'm in no way an expert...lol... But I'd say its a cinny with a busy pattern, heck I'd pair him with a cinny or pewter next year and prove him out... Or name a price and i'll lift him from ya..:D

I love his crazy tail!

Looks like a cinny to me , the head gives it away

Agreed, there's no way that's a normal: Cinny 100% Whoever you met with needs to sharpen up their morph skills before telling someone they're wrong!

An awesome cinny!!
Yes please!! Gimme gimme gimme!!

Weird but kewl pattern and I would say cinny all the way. I know not all have that break in the head stripe but the majority I have seen do with the uniform head colour. That combined with the tricked out tail gave it away for me.

The funny thing is the fact that for some odd reason when I first saw the pic I was thinking Calico Cinny because of the tail pattern. It's a Cinny for sure though.

Love that crazy pattern.

Another in support of it being a cinnamon. Head is obvious, and tail pattern also typical of several cinnies I've seen in person, or owned.

My votes for Cinny, the head is the dead give away! I think the dude told you normal so you would sell it to him for $40 bucks or so. Cheap.

Cinny for sure!

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Sure looks cinny to me.

I've had two experiences like that, oddly enough, and in neither case were any parties involved inexperienced with BPs, just with that particular morph.

In one case, I drove up to buy a firefly and couldn't quite convince myself that it was definitely what it was supposed to be instead of just a smokin' pastel. It was probably a firefly ... But since I had that doubt, I chose not to take the chance. (Not to mention that I want my firefly breeder male to be a no questions asked, scream from across the room firefly, not a "yeah I guess he is" firefly ...)

In another case, I had a female sable that I offered for sale to someone, and he ended up sending pictures out to a bunch of friends because he just wasn't confident that he could identify it as a sable. (This sable is the most obvious sable I've ever seen, personally, but then, they are still kind of subtle.) I think he did agree that she was a sable, eventually, but decided against her.

I think that's a pretty nice looking (and obvious) cinny though.

The head and tail told me Cinny! I guess some people can't always tell a certain morph visually from another. Some close observing and pointers is all they need :gj:.

Alright, Im sticking with cinny. I do wish the two people who said it wasnt a cinny or needed more pics would speak up though. Id like to know what they are seeing that Im not.

Well, it is a LITTLE dark for a cinny, at least to me.

Cinnamons to me should be well....cinnamon. Like my girl Kuri here, of course she IS a really nice cinnamon.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...akes/Kuri3.jpg

So maybe that is why they think it's a normal ? Because it seems kind of dark for a cinny?

BUT there is no way on earth anyone should look at that pattern and call it a normal, that is just stupid. Even if I didn't know much about ball pythons, I'd know that was anything but normal.

Gale

Head and pattern look 100% cinni. I am curious about the coloring on it though. Can you take some pics in a different light? It looks bright compared to the Cinni's that I have. It is definately one great looking snake and would be a compliment to any collection. Maybe my collection needs it. Hmmmm

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Originally Posted by Clint Bundy

It looks bright compared to the Cinni's that I have.

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Originally Posted by angllady2

Because it seems kind of dark for a cinny?

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Sorry, had to lol for a second.

These are the only other pics I have on hand. They are the terrible cell shots I took a while ago.

http://www.iherp.com/Gallery/88170/7...b3a7wfNEij.jpg

http://www.iherp.com/Gallery/88170/7...PnrjK1tPVA.jpg

and with a pastel sibling
http://www.iherp.com/Gallery/88170/7...WEmw4AImNM.jpg

That pastel shot really makes the cinnimon stick out like a sore thumb. I would post pics of my Cinni girls but they ate lastnight and don't want to be disturbed. Well they really don't like to be disturbed even when they haven't recently eaten. They have the worst attitudes out of any of my ball pythons, and that's why i bought them.

http://i1189.photobucket.com/albums/...tBundy/014.jpg
Girl #1
http://i1189.photobucket.com/albums/...undy/016-1.jpg
Girl #2

Those are my cinni girls. If you could have only heard the hissing that went on during those pics being taken. I have a pic of their brother but he has pastel in him.

I lol'd too!

That picture with the pastel is perfect, it really makes that cinny pop!

I wouldn't be sorry to add that baby to my collection, the crazy pattern alone make it a stand out.

Gale

Dark for a cinny? Forgive me if I am wrong but many people want their cinnies to be dark. Cinnamons are afterall one of the two morphs that in super form produce a black snake. I think a lot of people want them to be as dark as possible... I know many who breed their cinnies only to dark females just to get darker offspring, kinda like pastel breeders breed to light to try and get brighter babies.

Maybe I am wrong, however, that was almost my understand of cinnamons. I think there is absolutely no question that baby is a cinny. Whoever told you otherwise is off their darn rocker!

When I first saw the pic, I immediately thought Cinnacal (Cinnamon Calico)... and then you said this: :O

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Originally Posted by aalomon

Bred my pewter female with a pewter and a calico. Only got two good eggs (and slugs, yay), this guy and a pastel. Great odds. :(

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Might be a low white Cinnacal. Male or female? Even if it's not a Cinnacal, it's still an awesome Cinny with that wicked pattern. Dude was nuts to turn it down.

Amazing cinny, very interesting pattern.

I have to go with the majority on this one :gj:. We all know some snakes are darker when young and brighten as they get older just the same as they can do the opposite. All the other cinnys posted are older and have more blushing. Blushing that the baby is starting to show as well. Besides it's tail the majority of the pattern and it's head is typical cinny even when you compare it to the others posted.

It reminds me of 2 I might pick up here shortly.

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Originally Posted by MarkieJ

When I first saw the pic, I immediately thought Cinnacal (Cinnamon Calico)... and then you said this: :O



Might be a low white Cinnacal. Male or female? Even if it's not a Cinnacal, it's still an awesome Cinny with that wicked pattern. Dude was nuts to turn it down.

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Boy would that be a beautiful irony. :D

I absolutely love his pattern! I wish you were near here, I would have snapped him up in a heartbeat. I love funky patterned cinnies.

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Originally Posted by angllady2

Well, it is a LITTLE dark for a cinny, at least to me.

Cinnamons to me should be well....cinnamon. Like my girl Kuri here, of course she IS a really nice cinnamon.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...akes/Kuri3.jpg

So maybe that is why they think it's a normal ? Because it seems kind of dark for a cinny?

BUT there is no way on earth anyone should look at that pattern and call it a normal, that is just stupid. Even if I didn't know much about ball pythons, I'd know that was anything but normal.

Gale

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The OPs snake is definitely a cinny but this one here is exceptional. I've always loved cinnamons and they usually ARE dark with a cinnamon colored head. The faded eye stripes on the OPs cinny are a dead give away but the pattern too. I'm not sure how anyone could mistake that side pattern for anything else. Even black pastels don't have side patterns quite like that. Plus cinnys do tend to lighten just a bit with age and more of a cinnamon colored blushing will be evident in the darker pattern along the back later on in places.

I've noticed the exceptionally light cinnys like the one I've quoted often seem to carry some sort of lightening or fader gene. If bred, that cinny may or may not consistently produce cinnys or other morphs that are equally as bright. If it does, those bloodlines are the ones I'd work with the most to incorporate it into everything else. This is how the good lines are created. Like lemon pastels etc..