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How do I tell the difference between lesser and butter?
Lessers and Butters babies look the same to me, is there any way of visually telling them apart? When the grow up the lessers look a little bit more silver and the butter a little more yellow I think? But as babies they look almost identical to me.
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Re: How do I tell the difference between lesser and butter?
Their the same morph with two different stories of coming into captivity. Their as different as lemon pastels, bell pastels, bhb pastel, ect. all different lines of the same morph.
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Re: How do I tell the difference between lesser and butter?
IMO lessers and butters are nothing more than different lines of the same morph.
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Imo, the only difference is the price tag. However, I also agree with your observation. I too believe butters tend to be more yellow and Lessers more silver/tan.
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Re: How do I tell the difference between lesser and butter?
Really? So a lesser bee is the same as a butter bee etc.? They always list them separately in all the genetics calculators and morph lists, whereas things like pastels they only list pastels they don't put lemon vs. jungle etc.
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Has this been irrefutably confirmed? In other words, has a lesser been bred to a butter, and the resulting BEL then been bred to a normal to see if distinct butter and lesser offspring are produced, or if the offspring all look like intergrades between the two?
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Re: How do I tell the difference between lesser and butter?
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Originally Posted by hungba
Really? So a lesser bee is the same as a butter bee etc.? They always list them separately in all the genetics calculators and morph lists, whereas things like pastels they only list pastels they don't put lemon vs. jungle etc.
WOBP list at least 5 compatible pastels on their calc/morph list and more of them are more than likely compatible. Mine just lists pastel as pastel and leaves all the lines out. I still separate butter and lesser or people will complain one is missing. Doesn't change how the genetics work, just a name.
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Originally Posted by WingedWolfPsion
Has this been irrefutably confirmed? In other words, has a lesser been bred to a butter, and the resulting BEL then been bred to a normal to see if distinct butter and lesser offspring are produced, or if the offspring all look like intergrades between the two?
I've never seen anything online but talking with breeders at shows I have herd multiple times there's no telling the difference. Also breeding a lesser/butter bel to a normal really doesn't prove anything. With them being the same, the difference you see are not the lesser/butter allele but the other 20398495804 possible alleles we cannot identify. It's why we have low and high quality morphs, the difference in them is the alleles we cannot identify, not the allele we are labelling.
can you tell me with a 100% certainty without cheating who is what in this picture?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...r/DSCN0820.jpg
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The butter is on top?
(To be honest, I can't personally tell them apart, either, but some folks insist, so I was wondering if it's actually been tested out).
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Re: How do I tell the difference between lesser and butter?
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Originally Posted by WingedWolfPsion
The butter is on top?
(To be honest, I can't personally tell them apart, either, but some folks insist, so I was wondering if it's actually been tested out).
I'll reveal what they are later, let the people who think there is a difference guess if they want, actually maybe I should make a poll just to see how many people get it right lol. but yea I can't think of a way to really test it 100%. I mean their on the same locus, make the same super, with the same genetic bug eye problem, make combos that are near identical sometimes... I don't see why there's still a debate.
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Butter top
Lesser bottom
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I too heard of the "two stories same morph" thing. Two different people(one being Ralph Davis and I forgot the other...was it Kevin from NERD??) imported similar looking WC balls from Africa. The butter was labeled first, I believe. And Ralph Davis named his version the Lesser Platinum. And the two just derived from there...
I could be totally wrong, but this is the story that I've been told.
I think the Lesser is on top and the Butter on bottom.
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Re: How do I tell the difference between lesser and butter?
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Originally Posted by satomi325
I too heard of the "two stories same morph" thing. Two different people(one being Ralph Davis and I forgot the other...was it Kevin from NERD??) imported similar looking WC balls from Africa. The butter was labeled first, I believe. And Ralph Davis named his version the Lesser Platinum. And the two just derived from there...
I could be totally wrong, but this is the story that I've been told.
I think the Lesser is on top and the Butter on bottom.
Ralphs story on the lesser platty is a good one, read up on it on his website. what he imported didn't look like a lesser. also it wasn't nerd with the butters, I forget who though
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The Bells imported the original line of Butters in 01'. RDR imported his line in 03'. Then there is RDR Lessers which were proven in 00'-01'.
Are they the very similar in appearance and function? Absolutely
Are they the same? No one is named butter and the other lesser :)
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Re: How do I tell the difference between lesser and butter?
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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser
I'd call the top one a Lesser and the bottom a Butter...even though I think they are basically the same...:D
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Re: How do I tell the difference between lesser and butter?
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Originally Posted by AGoldReptiles
RDR imported his line in 03'. Then there is RDR Lessers which were proven in 00'-01'.
huh?
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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser
huh?
What the huh? RDR has his line of Butter and his Lessers which derived from the platty daddy. The Bells imported the original line of Butter.
So 3 different lineages.
Bell Butter 01'
RDR Lesser 00'-01' (From the Platty Daddy)
RDR Butter 03'
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Re: How do I tell the difference between lesser and butter?
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Originally Posted by AGoldReptiles
What the huh? RDR has his line of Butter and his Lessers which derived from the platty daddy. The Bells imported the original line of Butter.
So 3 different lineages.
Bell Butter 01'
RDR Lesser 00'-01' (From the Platty Daddy)
RDR Butter 03'
never even herd of another line of butter
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Butters...First produced
Reptile Industries, 2001
http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/butter/
Lesser..First produced
Ralph Davis Reptiles, 2001
http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/lesser/
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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser
never even herd of another line of butter
Most haven't, that's why I am posting about this. I did my research and then verified my above results with both the Bells and RDR.
Bell Butter ( original line) 01'
RDR Butter 03'
Two different linages of Butters.
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