Paradox Question

Is there any evidence out there that paradox is a genetic thing? I have a het albino male and the breeder i got him from has another 100% het. female produced from a paradox albino and its $300. I dont know if I want to risk the chance...

It hasn't been proven to be genetic. As far as I know it's more like a birth mark, only my chance. I have a paradox female albino so I'll let you know in two years ;)

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...e/b031870b.jpg
I have produced a paradox two years in a row from a pair of my pewters. In my case it could be due to the pied gene affecting the pattern of the cinny gene, but we should see if it is genetic this season.

When it comes to albinos I don't think it is showing any promise of being reproducible on a regular basis.

This is the dad:
http://i1091.photobucket.com/albums/...7/image001.jpg

If I could get anything close to that it would be amazing and well worth the extra money for the het.....but if not, its just a much more expensive and lower shot at getting albinos.

Being paradox shouldn't really affect the price as far as I know...I got my female paradox albino for the same price as her "normal" albino sister....is there really no room to move the price from $300 for just a het?? I didn't realize the het albinos were going for that high :confused:

So could paradox be a gene 'cancelling' mutation, where in certain areas the albino gene is 'turned off'? I've seen this in axolotls, the GFP(green glowing protein thing) can be turned off on areas making them spotted and green under a blacklight.

Or could some of them also be a fusion of twins, one who happened to be albino, one who happened to be het? I've seen a few that were split right down the middle, half being one gene, half being normal!

I know nothing about paradoxes! But they are cool!

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Originally Posted by LGray23

Being paradox shouldn't really affect the price as far as I know...I got my female paradox albino for the same price as her "normal" albino sister....is there really no room to move the price from $300 for just a het?? I didn't realize the het albinos were going for that high :confused:

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He is selling his other paradox and 3 het albino females for $4,000. And I got my normal het. albino male from him for $30 so I dont know what the deal is. Do you mind me asking where you got your paradox?

My friend Patrick of Action Reptiles. I think it's his second paradox he's hatched, not sure if it's the same parents. She's not insanely paradox like the one you put a picture of, but it makes her unique :love:
http://i44.tinypic.com/2mhxyyf.jpg

I still love it! Its crazy how the "small" things on a snake make it SOOOOO much cooler to me.

I have never heard of people charging more for hets from a paradox....I know the actual paradox animal will often cost more because it is a freak accident and the rarity makes it valuable to some. If you gonna drop 300 on a het put another 100 in there and get a visual albino I personally dont like albino to het breedings as inexpensive as albinos are and hets are so invaluble to most I usually sell them as normals to pet stores......

I would save and wait for a paradox albino to come up for sale. They seem to be available more often then you would think. That male is exceptional but you can usually get one with small paradox markings for slightly more then a typical albino. I purchased this girl a couple years ago and I still enjoy looking at her. Here is an old picture (taken by Josh Marki).

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/p...adoxAlbino.jpg

I think its only genetic in Kenyan sand boas so far here is hoping that it is in Ball's as well

The person pigfat is talkin about is selling them on KS. Hes trying to claim its genetic without actually saying it is. Hes claiming hes made several paradox albinos off this "Line"

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Originally Posted by LGray23

Being paradox shouldn't really affect the price as far as I know...I got my female paradox albino for the same price as her "normal" albino sister....is there really no room to move the price from $300 for just a het?? I didn't realize the het albinos were going for that high :confused:

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From what I've seen, you got a hell of a deal. Most people, though they are not genetic, ask a mint for paradox albinos. I've seen them as high as $5k for adult males. As for hets, I don't think they should be any more than a normal het especially for something that has yet to be proven genetic. Some people take advantage of whoever they can.

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Originally Posted by purplemuffin

So could paradox be a gene 'cancelling' mutation, where in certain areas the albino gene is 'turned off'?

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I think it could be something a bit the opposite of that, but along the same track; since albino turns "off" the pigment, areas of paradox (especially the smaller areas like on LGray's snake) might be spots where the pigment gene got turned back "on" again focally (ie, a gain-of-function mutation).

For the more "extreme" paradoxes, though, I think one of the major working hypotheses is that they are chimeras -- fusions of two babies into one animal.

AFAIK, no albino paradoxes have ever been proven genetic (they've been around for awhile). I guess it doesn't mean they could never be genetic, but I don't know of any that are.