BEL x pied

i wonder what would happen if you bred a blue eyed leusistic with a piebald.

Lesser het pied
Mojave het pied

if it's a lesser mojave BEL.

Just substitute the ingredients of the BEL and add het pied :)

so just a lesser mojave or bel will come out?

If you're breeding a lesser mojave (BEL) to a piebald, you'll only get lessers het pied and mojaves het pied. You wouldn't get any BELs out of the breeding.

This is because the genes "lesser" and "mojave" are on the same locus, so only one can pass to offspring (as opposed to something like pastel lesser, where there's a 50% chance pastel will pass, and a 50% chance lesser will pass, which allows the chance of getting more pastel lessers out of the breeding).

no bel's, just a mojave or lesser/butter, which would also be 100% het. pied

ah ok, thanks for ur info.

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I thought Lesser bred to Pied produced a white snake. Maybe it's more complicate, but I'm pretty sure someone did it a few years ago and gave up on the project because the F1 breeding made 100% white snakes. I think the same can be said for the Butter Pied.

Mojo actually makes a nice looking pied combo.

Ralph Davis produced a Lesser Platinum Pied from a lesser platinum het pied to a pied I believe. I don't think he ever made a BEL Pied that I know of.

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Originally Posted by Brandon Osborne

I thought Lesser bred to Pied produced a white snake. Maybe it's more complicate, but I'm pretty sure someone did it a few years ago and gave up on the project because the F1 breeding made 100% white snakes. I think the same can be said for the Butter Pied.

Mojo actually makes a nice looking pied combo.

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A lesser pied will be all white, but you'd have to breed a lesser het pied x lesser het pied.

I produced a lesser pied this year from a lesser het pied x pied breeding. I bred a lesser to a pied a couple years ago and produced a couple male lessers het for pied. I then bred him back to a pied female. Here are the results, perfect odds as well...

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/p...piedclutch.jpg

Great looking babies! Outstanding clutch!


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A lesser pied will be all white, but you'd have to breed a lesser het pied x lesser het pied.

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I'm pretty sure a Lesser Pied is 100% white and can be produced by breeding lesser het pied X pied. I might be wrong but that's what I remember the original animals being. I don't think the genetics are as cut and dry as they were thought to be when combining these two morphs.

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Originally Posted by Brandon Osborne

I'm pretty sure a Lesser Pied is 100% white and can be produced by breeding lesser het pied X pied. I might be wrong but that's what I remember the original animals being. I don't think the genetics are as cut and dry as they were thought to be when combining these two morphs.

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That's what I meant... same difference. het. pied won't give you an all white snake, only Lesser and the full visual pied.... But if i had to choose I'd do Lesser het. pied x Lesser het. Pied and hopefully get a BEL Pied ;)

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Originally Posted by Brandon Osborne

I'm pretty sure a Lesser Pied is 100% white and can be produced by breeding lesser het pied X pied. I might be wrong but that's what I remember the original animals being. I don't think the genetics are as cut and dry as they were thought to be when combining these two morphs.

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That's actually correct though :P

Not all lesser pieds are pure white.
Here's an adult lesser pied: http://www.worldofballpythons.com/fi...r-pied/002.jpg

You can see that, while lesser pieds tend to be extreme high white, they're not always all white.

A BEL pied would be 100% white, of course. BEL is super-lesser. BEL is 100% white, and pied simply adds white patches and disrupts pattern, so good luck distinguishing a BEL pied from a BEL. :)
I guess you'd have to test breed it to a pied for a couple of years, to see if all the offspring turned out pied.

It would be quite the desirable animal to have as a breeder, though, even if it looked no different from a typical BEL.

Might as well be 100% white at that point. I love high white pieds as much as low and med whites, but I'm not dying to have a 100% white pied. I'm adding enchi to my cinny and pewter pied projects...hopefully this season. My male enchi is a tad small but I'll give it a shot if he is up for it. I have plans for him and my pewter pied girl. This will prove his het pied status as well.