Baby Calico experts needed!

So these little guys have been driving crazy. The breeding was Calico x Normal. 4 eggs, these three came out and I keep going back and forth whether or not they're Calicos. I wanted to wait till they've each shed a few times but it's driving me insane so here I am.
I've never hatched out Calicos before so I don't know how long it usually takes for them to be obvious but here's what I've got.
Calico Sire
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o...e/PC101328.jpg
"Calico" male (shed twice)
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o...e/PC101332.jpg
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o...e/PC101337.jpg
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o...e/PC101335.jpg
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o...e/PC101340.jpg
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o...e/PC101333.jpg
"Calico" female 1 (shed once)
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o...e/PC101341.jpg
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o...e/PC101344.jpg
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o...e/PC101346.jpg
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o...e/PC101343.jpg
"Calico" female 2 (shed once)
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o...e/PC101350.jpg
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o...e/PC101352.jpg
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o...e/PC101351.jpg

Any opinions on these guys would be greatly appreciated!!

Thanks,
Kristin

I believe that only the first female is a Calico. Others are normal.

They all look really ambiguous. But from what I understand some calicos can have really low white to where it is almost unnoticable. From the pics I would say they look almost normal but its possible they just dont have that wow factor some of the others have. It looks like they may have something going on. Just have to wait for a few more sheds and see if they lighten up for you.

Id also say that f1 is a calico. Although I am not an expert with the gene at all. But she does have the high white sides where as the other two don't.


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Whatever female 1 is, I'd kep her over the other two! She's very hot! :gj:

I dont see any calicos. Do you mind posting pics of the dam please.

Female 1 looks like she could be a calico, they all look pretty normal to me though! I'm not experienced with hatchling calicos at all!

I'm not seeing any calicos in those babies, but I'm hesitant to be certain just looking at photos. While the higher white ones are obvious at hatching, even the lower white ones can be identified by a pinkish tone where the white is going to come in. Within a few sheds, it gets pretty obvious, in my experience.

Here is a lower white calico female that sounds like she is about the same age as yours:
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/j...i/IMG_6060.jpg
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/j...i/IMG_6063.jpg

In the next two photos, there is a lower white calico male at one month, and at two months old so you can see the progression of the white:
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/j...i/IMG_7624.jpg
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/j...IMG_6086-1.jpg

In the higher white ones, it's pretty easy, but in the next three photos you can see how the white parts go from pink to white in the same snake progressing from just hatched, to one month, to few months:
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/j...i/IMG_0816.jpg
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/j...i/IMG_7206.jpg
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/j...i/IMG_5083.jpg

It comes in pretty quickly, and should be obvious in person.

NONE are calicos. They only one that maybe is the first female.

I'm not seeing any calicos either.

Thanks for the input guys! I guess I'll just wait and see what happens. They do look like something's going on and if not Calico, then I don't know what. Here's a pic of mom.
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o...e/P8020341.jpg

Funny, female 2 is the only one that looked aberrant, to me. I admit, however, that I don't have any calicos, so obviously I have no idea what to look for, lol.

Here is a link I posted last year, where a handful of people posted how she wasnt a calico and what not.

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...alico-Question

If I were you I would go to the next link and follow thru and check out the hunters guide to see what and if each snake has all the characteristics. From your pics its very hard to tell but from the belly pics it suggests to me that none are calicos. But If you have the room I would probably keep all the babies and as they age they will become more obviously calicos if they are calicos. Tonight I will take pics of the girl from the first link and show how low white she is, yet its pretty obvious now that she is def a calico.

http://www.nextworldexotics.com/hgcalico.htm

One trait to look for in calico's asides from white scales is the gold banding around a generally reduced pattern. The gold banding is more pronounced as babies and I don't see it in any of yours as well as no white scales. Many calico's are also ringers.

As I posted yesterday here are some pics of my 2010 female calico that was in that thread I linked, I am a firm believer that with luck like mine I will eventually produce the lowest white calico in the history of ball pythons!!

http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...7/img_1668.jpg

Belly Shot
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...7/img_1670.jpg

And close up of one of the like 5 white spots she has, she does have alot of blacks and stuff mixed in which is kinda neat but far from the average thought of what a calico looks like
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...7/img_1671.jpg

Hope this can help in some way or another