mojave?

Bought this little gem at an expo today as a mojave but others seem to think otherwise. Opinions?
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...6/pc040039.jpg
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...6/pc040038.jpg
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...6/pc040031.jpg
with my pastel for comparison
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...6/pc040030.jpg
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...6/pc040029.jpg

The color is throwing me off - it doesn't look like mojo colors to me. Outside pics in natural lighting would help I think.

And for future reference: quarantine new additions just in case, even if they came from a breeder. That includes not bringing them around your already established collection (I'm just ASSuming you didn't buy that pastel from today's expo): especially not touching each other.

true about quarintene. any thoughts on other morphs? he aint normal. lol

Normal or low color pastel..........hard to tell from the pics.

its not normal if anything it has to be pastel it has mojave patterns but pastel colorings...can anyone tell what the color of its eyes are in the picture????

pastave maby? ill post some eye pics in a sec

eye pics
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...6/pc040045.jpg
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...6/pc040044.jpg

The color on the neck and head is a little weird, but that looks like a pastel to me. Who did you buy it from? Pastels aren't worth nearly as much as mojaves. A pastel male would cost about $100, is that the price you paid?

Also the belly isn't right for a mojo, it is right for a pastel however. Mojos have clear bellies like that, but they have greys and yellows near the belly, not black like that.

It's not the best picture color wise, but here is one of my mojos belly up
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...Isis/044-3.jpg

And my other mojo up close so you can see the color, you can see how the black melts away into grey as it goes down the snake
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...sis/007-13.jpg
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...sis/006-13.jpg

eyes say pastel as far as it being pastave they have the mojo bellies too completely clear white no tracks or checkered patterns running along the sides i must admit the color on the head and neck are weird

Also....what is on the end of its nose?

Honestly, and this may be a bit out there, but I have seen some low grade pastaves look almost exactly like that so there is a possibility. Better lighting would be a lot of help though.

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/pastave/

Like I said I have seen pastaves that look similar to the one that the OP has. I am not saying it is one but just stating it as a possibility. A google search will show pics of lower grade pastaves that look similar to it. Again this is only a possibility.

In case anyone is wondering. I bought him from global exotic pets in kitchener who got him from cory woods. Cory woods is a reputable breeder and the owner of global is also a breeder. He told me mojave. That's not to say he came from a clutch of mojave crossed to something else to make his colors/patterns all wonkey. Either way it will me cool to breed him out in the future. Will try to get pics in better light today so his true colours will come out. Do pastels ever have "cheerios"? He has a few between cyclops alian heads. So to me there has to be mojave in there but mayhaps he's a double that got forgotten about.

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In case anyone is wondering. I bought him from global exotic pets in kitchener who got him from cory woods. Cory woods is a reputable breeder and the owner of global is also a breeder. He told me mojave. That's not to say he came from a clutch of mojave crossed to something else to make his colors/patterns all wonkey. Either way it will me cool to breed him out in the future. Will try to get pics in better light today so his true colours will come out. Do pastels ever have "cheerios"? He has a few between cyclops alian heads. So to me there has to be mojave in there but mayhaps he's a double that got forgotten about.

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Didn't you just post another thread about this animal?

It looks just like a Low end pastel to me. It has all the right traits for pastel and just none for mojo.
I know what it's like to be vending at shows it gets hectic. Any possibility there was a miscommunication?


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I only see Pastel in this boy. The coloring is weird but there's nothing about him that would make me think Mojo. If I were to see him at a show the colors would defiantly make me stop to take a look though. I honestly like the greys coming off his head.

This is a Mojave Female I just picked up at the Hamburg Show this past Saturday.

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/a...s/DSC_0507.jpg

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/a...s/DSC_0508.jpg

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Honestly, and this may be a bit out there, but I have seen some low grade pastaves look almost exactly like that so there is a possibility. Better lighting would be a lot of help though.

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this is what i was thinking lol. maybe the breeder bred a pastel x mojave.. thought that was a low Q mojo, and sold it, not realizing it was a low Q pastave :weirdface....

that's my guess anyways. maybe get in touch with the breeder. perhaps the pastel or mojave clutchmates can reveal the kind of quality being produced in either morph?

He had a brother of this animal right beside him that looked more mojave than he does (like with less spots and such) but the colors were very simmeler. I picked this one because it looked odd. Also the head wasn't as faded on the other one. To me my snake has the head of almost a super pastel its so light. I'm interested to see what a few more sheads will do to him.

Ok. I am the girlfriend of the OP, with a much better camera. I took some pics of him in natural light by the window (didn't want to take him outside in this freezing weather!!). Not sure myself what he is supposed to be, but honestly he's so dang cute I'd have taken him regardless!

He was squirming around like crazy so it was hard to get good angles. This first pic is as close to his natural colour as possible.
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...0/img_0623.jpg
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...0/img_0622.jpg
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...0/img_0628.jpg

i still say pastel. ill grab some pics of my mojo's, hang on.

ooooh didn't see the last post, there is definitely some "flameage" there on the sides, but how coloration is like a browned out pastel, strange!

here is our pair. both of them i consider to be of low overall quality, but my boyfriend picked them out. the male was picked for his ridiculous side-pattern, and AWESOME flames that have only gotten better with age and the female was chosen for her brightness. (might also have had something to do with the fact that it felt like she was longingly staring into my soul while i was holding her) when she was little she was bright yellow, almost like a pastave.

but anyways, here's the male:

http://i973.photobucket.com/albums/a...ec52011001.jpg

http://i973.photobucket.com/albums/a...ec52011002.jpg

http://i973.photobucket.com/albums/a...ec52011003.jpg

http://i973.photobucket.com/albums/a...ec52011004.jpg

http://i973.photobucket.com/albums/a...ec52011007.jpg

and the female now. unfortunately she has lost a lot of her gorgeous yellow color with age:

http://i973.photobucket.com/albums/a...ec52011008.jpg

http://i973.photobucket.com/albums/a...ec52011009.jpg

http://i973.photobucket.com/albums/a...ec52011010.jpg

http://i973.photobucket.com/albums/a...ec52011011.jpg

http://i973.photobucket.com/albums/a...ec52011012.jpg

That's definitely a Pastel, no doubt about it. Pretty nice one too but not a Mojave or Pastave.

here is my Mojave. Why is it that mine has the stripe down its back and most that I see don't have this - is this a bad thing/trait??

http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/n...ctures2008.jpg

i quite enjoy the stripe down your mojo's back! my female has it on her tail too, and i like it. who knows, we all know how patterns and colors can vary even with the same morph.

The head has an almost axanthic look to it. I dont see pastel,but majority rules i suppose. If thats a pastel,thats the most unique looking pastel ive seen yet. Keep us updated with pics as it gets older. Id like to see this thing as an adult!

Update!
So we were told by the seller that he came from Corey Woods, and so I was looking through his 2011 clutches and by matching up his pattern, I was able to positively ID our guy in 'clutch 5', Orange Ghost Het Red Axanthic x Pastel Het Orange Ghost. In the picture, he is labeled as Pastel HRA HOG. Would explain why he is so washed out looking, and would explain why he certainly does not look like a mojave!

If that's true, maybe you didn't get such a bad deal on him after all. He would be 100% het orange ghost, and possibly het red axanthic. (Sounds like he thought he was).

Strange how he wound up being sold as a mojave! Well, you can put him with an orange ghost or orange ghost het female at some point, and make pastel orange ghosts.

see now pastel het red is so much more believable haha it fits the description better they have the fading on the head too! what a deal for $100! Pair him up with a het ghost that would be hot

Now that I can see a lot better. * takes look over at the pastel HRA in the tub a few feet away* yup I see it.

and I must say he does look alot better than what he did right out of the egg :) you got one unbelievably good deal....a male pastel het red axanthic 100% het for orange ghost wow lucky you! I wish I had his brother too though hes a gorgeous little thing also

Definitely Pastel
http://img.tapatalk.com/c775b63e-8e05-4688.jpg
This is my mojave girl

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Update!
So we were told by the seller that he came from Corey Woods, and so I was looking through his 2011 clutches and by matching up his pattern, I was able to positively ID our guy in 'clutch 5', Orange Ghost Het Red Axanthic x Pastel Het Orange Ghost. In the picture, he is labeled as Pastel HRA HOG. Would explain why he is so washed out looking, and would explain why he certainly does not look like a mojave!

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Ah yep, now it makes sense. Looks like you got a fun project on your hands! And he had that grey neck when he was born too!