Unknown until proven morph

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Hope I can prove this girl out to be the morph that I purchased her as. I would like to breed her this season and see some crazy results. Anyone have a guess on what she might be? I've tried to hear suggestions in another post but I'm still interested in what people think.

Where are you located? I have a male that looks just like her. Maybe we could hook em up. :)

black pastel?

Looks like mine and I think that he's a black pastel.

I could be wrong but I don't see a black pastel. I do see some traits but not enough to convince me. Better pics would help for sure.

If that IS a black pastel you should start your own line (as long as there isn't already one like that). That's a pretty unique look IMO. :)

Post some belly shots!

I'm just not seeing black pastel. She doesn't have all the black squiggles in the alien heads that black pastels have. Also the pattern is similar but the color is off.

i cant think of anything else lol i have no idea black pastel was the closest i could guess to it

She is supposed to be cinnamon, very excited either way!

I was gonna say cinny, since she doesn't have the squiggles like a black pastel should. She is pretty though :gj:

She doesn't look like a cinnamon to me. Black pastel is more likely, though I'm not really seeing that either. Either way, she is pretty. :D

Cinny and Black Pastel is the same morph! Just like the Lesser and Butter!

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Cinny and Black Pastel is the same morph! Just like the Lesser and Butter!

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Cinnamon and Black Pastel are not the same morph. There is an obvious difference, at least it's obvious to me.

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Originally Posted by evan385

Cinnamon and Black Pastel are not the same morph. There is an obvious difference, at least it's obvious to me.

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I mean it really is like the Lesser/Butter thing. Black Pastels and Cinnys have just been different lines for so long that they look different, but if you look at them breeding to other morphs they produce all of the same things i'm pretty sure. for example Pastel X Black Pastel = Pewter and Pastel X Cinny = Pewter. They look a little different but not much.

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Originally Posted by evan385

Cinnamon and Black Pastel are not the same morph. There is an obvious difference, at least it's obvious to me.

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It's just selective breeding! Just like Blonde, Granzini and Lemon are all just Pastels! The Cinnamon Pastel(it was shorted to Cinnamon) and the Black Pastel was breed for certain traits but all came from the same gene! Cinnamons are lighter and Black Pastels are darker!

my first thought was granite.......... not seeing and cinny at all. I am not too familiar with black pastels to judge there.

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If that IS a black pastel you should start your own line (as long as there isn't already one like that). That's a pretty unique look IMO. :)

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Why would someone buy a morph that is sold as a morph, then start their own line?

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Originally Posted by Wh00h0069

Why would someone buy a morph that is sold as a morph, then start their own line?

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I meant later on if they breed it and the clutches keep looking like that. just because its sold as a morph doesn't mean it is... I've certainly never seen a black pastel or cinny quite like that.

http://img.tapatalk.com/47e88798-db17-72c1.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/47e88798-db28-a438.jpg
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Here are some pics I just took now, she is in shed. I'll take some better ones after she sheds.

http://img.tapatalk.com/47e88798-5ac1-a8c3.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/47e88798-5b57-630e.jpg

After consideration of everything.....
I do consider her to be cinnamon and hope she proves out!

I would of guessed black pastel, cinny, or het red.

"I see the difference you are seeing .the second picture really has a better eye body pattern ,that makes nice contrast albino cinnamons ,I still believe her to be a cinnamon ,they are not related "

That was the response I got from the breeder when I asked about her unusual look

Here's a new one of her, shes ready to breed just waiting on the male now...
http://img.tapatalk.com/62d8b477-9057-b66d.jpg

She doesn't look like a cinny to me. She doesn't have the cinny colored head and eye stripe like this:
http://img.tapatalk.com/cfdb45cd-98b9-920f.jpg
Keep in mind this dude is a baby but def a cinny. Call me crazy but the snake in question looks kinda like a low grade yellow belly to me (no offense). The flames and a bit of checkering on the sides of her belly is what I'm backing this on. I have no pics of my cinnys belly but it's cleaner than that snakes. Just my opinion.


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In that new pic she has some squiggles visible and that would suggest black pastel.


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She doesnt have the cinny color but look at all the black pigment and how the black on the head extends to the neck where it's all blushed out... Def a hypermel in my opinion. She was sold to me as a cinnamon though...

In the last pic I see little black " ' around the alien heads. Those are tell tale black pastel identifiers. Also the blackness you are talking about is black pastel too. Cinnamons are BROWN. There is no brown on this snake anywhere in the pics. If she lays and makes brown babies I will eat my words. However IMO black pastel.
http://img.tapatalk.com/cfdb45cd-a01f-ab0d.jpg
A adult cinnamon from google images. It's brown not black. And no squiggles.


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I know what a cinnamon is supposed to look like but just because this snake don't look like one doesn't mean it wasn't produced from a cinnamon line, the breeder i got this girl from also sold me one of the best quality cinnamons I have seen

Not even baby out of a cinnamon is a cinnamon. It's a codom morph and produces normals.

I don't see cinnamon in that snake. It might be something, but I just don't see cinnamon. I do hope she produces something awesome when you breed her.

The main issue I see with this animal is the head. The shape and color just don't look like a cinnie or black pastel. The rest of it certainly could be. Could be camera angles.

Could just be an odd individual, I suppose. You won't know for sure until you breed it.

Yup just have to see what kinda offspring she produces...

Luckily I also have this girl to breed...
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Tell me she ain't perfect =]

I'm really looking forward to this pairing!
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I agree, the head doesn't look right to me, cinny or black pastel. Cinny's and black pastels have funny looking heads, there is just something off about their head, shape and color. Cinny's are a lot easier to pick out by their heads, but even black pastels have different heads. My guess is that one of her parents was a black pastel or cinny and her pattern was affected by that. She's a gorgeous snake no doubt but I'm not so sure about cinny or black pastel.

Here is my black pastel, you can tell her head is different from the norm even if it is subtle. The stripes along the sides of the head tend to be greyish, normals have a yellowy stripe.
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...850-3-1-12.png

It looks like a black pastel to me lol..

I don't see cinnamon there either. Cinnamons are one of my favorite morphs and I work with them. That animal, if it's anything, looks more like a black pastel.


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Definitely not black pastel or cinny :gj:

Wish i could remember the morph name that this looks like... Relatively new morph.. Identical to this one... Sorry i'm no help :(

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Wish i could remember the morph name that this looks like... Relatively new morph.. Identical to this one... :(

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Are you thinking of the Huffman?

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Originally Posted by RobNJ

Are you thinking of the Huffman?

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Haha I never knew that "Huffman" was the name. It does look a lot like that morph :gj:

i'd say a lesser or something she may have a phantom type gene just hunch

Just took this pic today hope she produces some babies this year!http://img.tapatalk.com/62d8b547-a5f4-8de6.jpg

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i'd say a lesser or something she may have a phantom type gene just hunch

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Whuuuuut :confused:

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Whuuuuut :confused:

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I think he meant breed it to a lesser in case it's a phantom. In my opinion it does carry some phantom or "special" traits. If it were mine I'd first breed it to something in the blue eyed Leucistic complex of snakes. Lesser, Mojo, Russo, Phantom, Special, etc..


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Originally Posted by SlitherinSisters

My guess is that one of her parents was a black pastel or cinny and her pattern was affected by that.

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Your black pastel is gorgeous. :)
It's not possible for a cinnie parent to contribute a cinnie pattern to one of its normal offspring. The cinnie mutation is a single gene--if they have it, they're cinnie (pattern and color). If they don't, they're normal (pattern and color).

The cinnamon and black pastel patterns are not selectively-bred traits, they're the result of just one gene. Selective breeding might be used to produce a normal animal that looks very similar, but that would take a very long time, and no one has done it.

I do agree that the OP's animal just might be a Huffman, too.

The thing that makes it questionable if she's a cinny or not is the color, IMO good cinnys are brown. This girl has so much contrast to her excessive amount of black pigment it's crazy. I never thought of any phantom/ special gene acting in there buts its deff a possibility. It's gonna be a little hard to prove out with the male I been breeding her with though lol

Does look similar to a Huffman, I don't see black pastel or cinny, interesting none the less, good luck OP.

It's amazing that some normals from a black pastel X normal breeding would carry the look of a black pastel but they do/can.
Floating elongated aliens etc...this is a normal from a black pastel X normal pairing, the dam had nothing about her that would indicate she would throw floating alien and elongated aliens...

http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...ormalFem01.jpg

Its funny that you guys would say Huffman, I got my first ball from chris Huffman, female het albino pushes 3000g love her lol

It looks like a Trick to me.

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It looks like a Trick to me.

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That's what I thought when I first saw the tricks

I think this pic shows her off good ;)
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