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Can't get her to eat FT

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  • 11-23-2011, 11:56 PM
    fluffpuffgerbil
    Can't get her to eat FT
    So far FT had been working fine, but she won't take these last couple rats for some reason!
    I heat it up after it's thawed and try to give it to her, but for some reason now, she's freaking out and won't sit still/keeps trying to escape and I DON'T want to have to throw another rat away. It's like throwing $6 away each one she won't eat.

    It's only her second time refusing, but I don't want to keep having to throw them away.
    Part of me is considering going back to live/PK.

    I don't know what to do.
    Can I refreeze the bloody thing?
  • 11-24-2011, 12:11 AM
    OtterGoRun
    Has she been off feed in the winter before?
  • 11-24-2011, 12:12 AM
    AK907
    You can refreeze them once. I'm pretty sure I saw you mention you get your feeders at PetSmart/PetCo. C'mon man, you've been here long enough to know you're getting ripped off by them paying that much for a rat. :P

    I would give a live a try if your snake doesn't take the next feeding. Hunger strikes and sudden changes in food preferences are all part of owning a ball python. :gj:
  • 11-24-2011, 12:13 AM
    fluffpuffgerbil
    This is her first winter, so unfortunatley I don't have an answer for that. :( She was hatching in July
  • 11-24-2011, 12:59 AM
    fluffpuffgerbil
    Re: Can't get her to eat FT
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by AK907 View Post
    You can refreeze them once. I'm pretty sure I saw you mention you get your feeders at PetSmart/PetCo. C'mon man, you've been here long enough to know you're getting ripped off by them paying that much for a rat. :P

    I would give a live a try if your snake doesn't take the next feeding. Hunger strikes and sudden changes in food preferences are all part of owning a ball python. :gj:

    Didn't see this post! XD
    I buy them in a three pack for $12, a single rat is $5 I think... But live at the petstore is $7 :rolleyes: Unfortunately house of reptiles is too far away.
    I know I'm being ripped off there, but it's what I can access/ XD

    Yep, the joy of a picky python. XD
    I noticed today she's a girly girl too.(long story. XD)
  • 11-24-2011, 01:34 AM
    OtterGoRun
    Do you have any reptile shows that come through town? I buy in bulk at the show and that lasts me quite a while. Cheap and local too :)

    Edit to add: Some snakes go off feed seasonally. It's not uncommon.
  • 11-24-2011, 01:35 AM
    RestlessRobie
    Re: Can't get her to eat FT
    Where in WA are you at I know a few suppliers of F/T rats if you live in the Greater Seattle area I may be able to help. I pay a lot less that $5 a rat for frozen.:)
  • 11-24-2011, 01:41 AM
    evan385
    Re: Can't get her to eat FT
    Ever thought of buying them online?
  • 11-24-2011, 01:42 AM
    fluffpuffgerbil
    The next reptile show is in January-the 21st or 22nd... not sure which day.

    and I'm not anywhere near seattle. XD I'm in Battle Ground, which is pretty much right by oregon.
    I'll be going to that reptile expo in Jan. also to pick up a gecko, but I can see about picking up some rats there as well.
    How will I know if she's going off feed? If she jsut refuses all the time?

    What confuses me mroe is why she's freaking out. There's nothing wrong with my husbandry and all she does is roam her cage.

    Could she want a bigger home? She's over 300 grams I believe(need new scale) and still in a 15L bin. she doesn't fit in her hides very well anymore
  • 11-24-2011, 01:44 AM
    fluffpuffgerbil
    Re: Can't get her to eat FT
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by evan385 View Post
    Ever thought of buying them online?

    It's too expensive and not worth buying so many rats(they only come in bulk, like a BuNCH of them from what I've seen) and shipping's spendy for the dry ice and stuff when I only have one snake...
  • 11-24-2011, 02:00 AM
    mattchibi
    If youre having trouble feeding, maybe you should wait the recommended 7 days in between. I know in a previous thread, we may have told you she's hungry and thats why shes roaming around a lot. But if she's not eating, then definitely wait a full week before trying again. Keep track of her weight, and as long as she doesnt lose any significant weight, keep trying f/t. She'll take it eventually.
  • 11-24-2011, 02:01 AM
    fluffpuffgerbil
    Yeah, I'll wait a week. X3

    I figured I could try though, but she may just be restless.
  • 11-24-2011, 02:56 AM
    Jared2608
    I'm sure she will come back on the feed!! I haven't been on here for a couple months, but I'm glad you got your BP after all!!
  • 11-24-2011, 03:10 AM
    fluffpuffgerbil
    Hah, thanks for the words of encouragment!
    I see from your signature you have one on the way?
  • 11-24-2011, 03:37 AM
    Jared2608
    Yep! Although now I'm torn between a BP and a JCP.....
  • 11-24-2011, 04:11 AM
    fluffpuffgerbil
    XD Ahh, well, can't really help you there. They're both beautiful snakes. I love the length omn the JCPs...
  • 11-25-2011, 03:31 AM
    Bigfish1975
    Try waiting, also do you have a hide. I have a few that were slower feeders that turn on when I put a hide in. Just a thought. Also there have been BP's that have gone an insane amount of time without eating. I think 22 months was the record I heard... what a nightmare. Keep an eye on her weight, record of feedings, make sure the temp is good and if all is good then just keep trying weekly. You could always consult a vet (herp specialist) if you feel like it.
  • 11-25-2011, 05:41 AM
    mikes
    Re: Can't get her to eat FT
    Hi, FPG.

    First off, I definitely would recommend buying rats in bulk online. It will save you lots of money over time and will cut down on trips to the pet store. I get a year's supply of rats for my ball python at a time to make the shipping (i.e. dry ice) cost worth while. You can get rats for less than $2 apiece at http://www.rodentpro.com/ and their quality is very good.

    You mentioned that your snake's hides are getting too small, so its probably time to move up to the next size hides. Your snake needs to feel secure to be a good eater. I think this is probably your main problem if your snake is freaking out. Cage roaming can be a sign of stress if your snake doesn't have adequate hides.

    Do you remove the hide the snake is in to feed it? I would not recommend that, as I've scared off my snake's appetite before by removing the hide. Your snake should still have plenty of room to strike and eat within the hide (with a good sized hide that is).

    Some snakes go into a pseudo-hibernation in the winter and will eat less than normal, if at all. You might be able to go bi-weekly or bi-monthly (or even monthly) feedings once you become more familiar with your snake habits.

    Is your snake in the processing of shedding? My snake never ever eats when he is working on his new skin. Wait until after the snake sheds before offering it a meal.

    Feed your snake at the same time of day, on the same day of the week. Your snake will learn this schedule and will begin to anticipate feedings. I feed my snake on Sundays at 10 pm. If I don't prepare a rat for feeding and he is hanging of the hide at that time, hes telling me that he is hungry and I'll feed him the next week.

    Are your temperatures and humidity in their proper ranges and without large fluctuations? Always a good idea to make sure your basics are good.

    Here are the tricks that I know to get my snake to eat F/T:

    1) Puncture the rat's cranium (I use a cheap kitchen knife). My snake loves the smell of brains. This method worked very well when I first started using it and I think it still works well.

    2) Add a drop or two of olive oil on the rat's head. This is how I finally got my snake to eat for the first time in my care.

    3) Get some rat substrate from the pet store and rub it on the prey item to transfer the scent of live rats to it. Just throw some of the substrate in a zip-lock with the rat.

    4) Just barely, barely wiggle the prey with your tweezers to mimic movement. This always gets my snake interested even if he has no plans on striking. You don't want to move the rat too much or you will make the rat a hard target for the snake to grab.

    5) Let the snake come to the rat. The snake needs to feel safe and in control, not threatened.

    6) Darken the room. My snake gets kinda shy sometimes if the room is well lit. I'm sure other snakes probably feel the same.

    7) Reheat the rat if it is refused at the first offering. The rat's internal temperature may not be adequate for the snake.

    8) Heat the rat up in organic chicken broth on the stove. I don't really like this method as it requires a bit more monitoring to get the temperature right.

    9) Leave the rat in the cage for a few hours or overnight. This trick is somewhat hit or miss in my experience. Sometimes my snake is just shy about eating in front of me and other times the rat makes the snake uncomfortable.

    That's all I can think of at the moment. Good luck with your snake! She'll eat eventually.
  • 11-25-2011, 06:45 AM
    mikes
    I meant to say to feed your ball on consistent time intervals. I've been using a weekly interval, but 5 or 6 day intervals are common as well.
  • 11-25-2011, 04:02 PM
    fluffpuffgerbil
    Re: Can't get her to eat FT
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mikes View Post
    Hi, FPG.

    First off, I definitely would recommend buying rats in bulk online. It will save you lots of money over time and will cut down on trips to the pet store. I get a year's supply of rats for my ball python at a time to make the shipping (i.e. dry ice) cost worth while. You can get rats for less than $2 apiece at http://www.rodentpro.com/ and their quality is very good.

    You mentioned that your snake's hides are getting too small, so its probably time to move up to the next size hides. Your snake needs to feel secure to be a good eater. I think this is probably your main problem if your snake is freaking out. Cage roaming can be a sign of stress if your snake doesn't have adequate hides.

    Do you remove the hide the snake is in to feed it? I would not recommend that, as I've scared off my snake's appetite before by removing the hide. Your snake should still have plenty of room to strike and eat within the hide (with a good sized hide that is).
    No, I don't remove the hides, which do need to be upgraded, I just hope I can fit a bigger one in her tub.
    Some snakes go into a pseudo-hibernation in the winter and will eat less than normal, if at all. You might be able to go bi-weekly or bi-monthly (or even monthly) feedings once you become more familiar with your snake habits.

    Is your snake in the processing of shedding? My snake never ever eats when he is working on his new skin. Wait until after the snake sheds before offering it a meal.
    No, she just finished shedding in the last couple weeks

    Feed your snake at the same time of day, on the same day of the week. Your snake will learn this schedule and will begin to anticipate feedings. I feed my snake on Sundays at 10 pm. If I don't prepare a rat for feeding and he is hanging of the hide at that time, hes telling me that he is hungry and I'll feed him the next week.

    Are your temperatures and humidity in their proper ranges and without large fluctuations? Always a good idea to make sure your basics are good.
    I'm working on getting the humidity down(it's at about 70% right now, I had eco earth in there, and switched to papers instead)
    and my temps are normally a little cool(about 71-75) but that's not been an issue
    and on the hotside, it seems I can get the temps to 88-93 at the hottest, since my heatpad's being a pain in the tail all of a sudden.(can't get it close enough to the bottom of the cage with the tstat probe in between it and the tub :rolleyes:

    Here are the tricks that I know to get my snake to eat F/T:

    1) Puncture the rat's cranium (I use a cheap kitchen knife). My snake loves the smell of brains. This method worked very well when I first started using it and I think it still works well.

    2) Add a drop or two of olive oil on the rat's head. This is how I finally got my snake to eat for the first time in my care.

    3) Get some rat substrate from the pet store and rub it on the prey item to transfer the scent of live rats to it. Just throw some of the substrate in a zip-lock with the rat.
    I actually already do this, but I use mouse bedding, as she was on mice beforehand
    4) Just barely, barely wiggle the prey with your tweezers to mimic movement. This always gets my snake interested even if he has no plans on striking. You don't want to move the rat too much or you will make the rat a hard target for the snake to grab.

    5) Let the snake come to the rat. The snake needs to feel safe and in control, not threatened.

    6) Darken the room. My snake gets kinda shy sometimes if the room is well lit. I'm sure other snakes probably feel the same.

    7) Reheat the rat if it is refused at the first offering. The rat's internal temperature may not be adequate for the snake.

    8) Heat the rat up in organic chicken broth on the stove. I don't really like this method as it requires a bit more monitoring to get the temperature right.

    9) Leave the rat in the cage for a few hours or overnight. This trick is somewhat hit or miss in my experience. Sometimes my snake is just shy about eating in front of me and other times the rat makes the snake uncomfortable.

    That's all I can think of at the moment. Good luck with your snake! She'll eat eventually.

    Thanks for all your guy's replies. :3

    She's seemed to settle down last night, but I think she's just tired from roaming. I really need new hides for her I've noticed. XD
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