Pastel or normal

bought this guy a year ago secondhand, he was originally purchased from the white plains expo.. I bought him as a pastel, but am unsure, the more I look at him the more he seems a normal. I would like to know for sure before I consider breeding.
http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/...-34-42_746.jpg http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/...-34-53_116.jpg

Do you have any better pics that show the color better? With the amount of blushing I want to says it's a pastel, but the lighting isn't good so it might just be a normal with good blushing. Green eyes are also a key trait of the pastel gene too, but I can't tell eye color from the photos.

Looks like a browned out pastel to me, but a belly shot and a pic of the eyes/face will help tremendously. :gj:

http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/...-17-28_751.jpg
http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/...-19-54_263.jpg

That is definitely a pastel :)

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Originally Posted by carlisleishere

that is definitely a pastel :)

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wow....99 times its normal...but looks like a pastel to me

Yup pastel

wow....99 times out of 100 its normal...but looks like a pastel to me

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Originally Posted by carlisleishere

That is definitely a pastel :)

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I Wouldn’t say thats definitely a pastel. But 99.9% of the time if the eyes are green it's a pastel.

It's a pastel

Thank you to everyone for their replies. I can't believe how quickly you all responded. Many thanks.

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Originally Posted by village idiot

I Wouldn’t say thats definitely a pastel. But 99.9% of the time if the eyes are green it's a pastel.

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I look at other things as well. What I notice on pastels are white lips which a lot of people don't notice, as well as blushing, eyes, brown out lines, and pale head stripes.

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Originally Posted by carlisleishere

I look at other things as well. What I notice on pastels are white lips which a lot of people don't notice, as well as blushing, eyes, brown out lines, and pale head stripes.

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Browns on pastels also look very different from normals too. I have yet to see a normal that has the same tanish/yellow-brown coloration of even a very brown pastel.

I would still like to see a real belly shot to confirm. I don't see how everyone jumped on the "definite pastel" bandwagon after seeing two pics of the snake deep in shed and in blue so you can't even see the eye color.

I'm not saying that it's NOT a pastel, I'm just saying that I would be hesitant to claim 100% certainty from those pics... A pastel's belly should be clean and white without any of the dark squiggly marks that you often see in normals... Note how the belly scales are pure white? That's what you want to look for...

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y28...s/SAM_0463.jpg

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Originally Posted by Inknsteel

I would still like to see a real belly shot to confirm. I don't see how everyone jumped on the "definite pastel" bandwagon after seeing two pics of the snake deep in shed and in blue so you can't even see the eye color.

I'm not saying that it's NOT a pastel, I'm just saying that I would be hesitant to claim 100% certainty from those pics... A pastel's belly should be clean and white without any of the dark squiggly marks that you often see in normals... Note how the belly scales are pure white? That's what you want to look for...

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It's pretty easy to tell from looking at it. I've seen some very brown pastels but they still obviously pastels, like in this case. Also not all pastels have green eyes. My Pastel yellow belly has eyes that I would say were more of a golden color:

http://i1139.photobucket.com/albums/...s/IMG_2544.jpg

But he's still a pastel.

Also the animal was sold as a pastel, this isn't a case of animal being sold as a normal and someone thinking it's something more. There are more key characteristics to pastels than a clear belly (which is common with morphs) and green eyes, and it's because of those (blushing, the sides, the specific color of the brown) that I think it's definitely a pastel.

The eyes seem more of a golden color than green to me. Underside is pure white, no markings
http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/...6-14-32_23.jpg