What to look in Bumblebees? (How to know if it's a quality animal)

Pretty much what the tittle says, a bit further down the road I plan on getting a bee, but I would like a quality Bumblebee...

What signs would I be looking for? What would be an instant No-no?

Educate me please :P






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A lot of it depends on what you prefer.

Reduced or busy pattern?

High white or low white?

I would look for a bright yellow, not as much orange as orange browns over time. You want that bright yellow from the pastel. I would also keep an eye out for wobbling. Try and avoid a baby who is already wobbling imo.

I'd love a Bright Yellow one, but I want to be aware of how their young colors might change with time. :/

And thanks on the wobble, I forgot it has the spider gene... LOL






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less wabbling & high whites if you like the white. Some people prefer them without little black spots. Some people also prefer high contrast, meaning the spider pattern is very dark, and even the scales next to the yellow scales are very dark.

Bumblebees are awesome though, great taste. My lil bumblebee has a ton of white:
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f3...h/a0fded4f.jpg

As Crawly's Mom said it really depends on what you are looking for.

To me the wobble doesn't bother me, but I also don't have any extreme wobblers. High White/Low White, it's still a bee to me. :P

What I look at is the color and pattern. With the pattern I look for little spotting. As for color, I look at how clean they are. I have two bees and I wasn't very selective in my first one and she's browned out some. My other bee has a very clean pattern and though I wasn't actively looking for another bee I jumped to buy her when I had the chance.

To give you some idea of how color can change. Here is my first bee.

The day I got her at 70g:
http://i1139.photobucket.com/albums/...e/IMG_0911.jpg

In my light tent at about ~150g
http://i1139.photobucket.com/albums/...1/IMG_1460.jpg

Butchering her color in a light tent last week:
http://i1139.photobucket.com/albums/...s/IMG_2414.jpg

Last weekend sitting on my head at ~320g (with flash on):
http://i1139.photobucket.com/albums/...s/IMG_2481.jpg

My other bee is paler, but very clean. Here she is last month:
http://i1139.photobucket.com/albums/...1/IMG_2128.jpg

http://i1139.photobucket.com/albums/...1/IMG_2134.jpg

In direct sunlight:
http://i1139.photobucket.com/albums/...1/IMG_1851.jpg

Here she is with my first bee for comparison:
http://i1139.photobucket.com/albums/...1/IMG_2122.jpg

Sorry for all the photos, but as they say, a picture is worth a 1,000 words, so have fun reading. :P

I'd make high white my first priority. That way it looks cool even if it browns out. XD My first BP was a bumblebee and while I love him, I can already tell he's going to brown out like crazy. It was a choice between a big hefty guy 2-3x the size of his clutchmates but brown, or a nicer looking bee that wasn't eating as well. Since it was my first, I went with the good eater. And I'm glad I did, he's doubled in size in 2 months! And at $250, I'm certainly not complaining. XD Plus, he just has the BEST personality.

Here's my boy Edgar:
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y11...rbun/Edgar.jpg


I want to breed my next bee myself. I plan on hunting for the PERFECT pastels, rather than buying any morph combos with pastel as a component. That way I can be (hopefully) sure that the color will last better. I'd hate to buy a combo morph only to have it produce poor quality pastel offspring.

http://www.lilwaynehq.com/forums/ima...ilies/baby.gif

@shockbunny are you sure that's not a spider? You can find spiders and bees in the same clutch.

So basically avoid orange and watch the wobble? The rest is up for preference?

Also, is the wobble something that will affect their health? Or just something to make us sad?


Oh, IF POSSIBLE, Idealistically, I'd be looking for a bee this yellow (I understand there are pattern differences, obviously as it wont be a GTP) but I refer to the intensity of the yellow...
http://lllreptile.com/load-image/Sto...age/image/4811

Do they come this bright?






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http://www.lilwaynehq.com/forums/ima...ilies/baby.gif

@shockbunny are you sure that's not a spider? You can find spiders and bees in the same clutch.

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http://www.lilwaynehq.com/forums/ima...ies/drizzy.png

If you want something THAT yellow (especially into adult age) a bee is probably not the morph for you. You might need to up your budget if you want something to resemble a bee and be that yellow lol

bees generally resemble what kinra and i posted

Yes, a lot of it is preference.

The wobble doesn't really affect the snakes health and in some cases you won't see any sign of it until they are excited (feeding time).

I've never seen a bee or ball python that yellow.

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@shockbunny are you sure that's not a spider? You can find spiders and bees in the same clutch.

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It's definitely a bee. You won't find a spider with a head pattern that looks like that. You can also see some of the yellow mixed in with the brown. It's just a very brown bee.

^^^ LOLWTF with the faces...
Hahaha




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I've been keeping an eye open for a female bee. I'm looking for dark blacks, bright yellow and little to no black speckling. I may consider getting a killer bee just so I don't have to worry about as much browning. I like both standard and reduced bee patterning. So maybe I'll have both at some point. Like everyone else has said though, it really is about personal preference.


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I've been keeping an eye open for a female bee. I'm looking for dark blacks, bright yellow and little to no black speckling. I may consider getting a killer bee just so I don't have to worry about as much browning. I like both standard and reduced bee patterning. So maybe I'll have both at some point. Like everyone else has said though, it really is about personal preference.


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I like your taste! :gj:




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I will be posting pics of my bee lux here as soon as get home.


My bee has a wobble but only dureing feedings. Its slight.but its there.

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It's definitely a bee. You won't find a spider with a head pattern that looks like that. You can also see some of the yellow mixed in with the brown. It's just a very brown bee.

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Agreed. It's a bee in my opinion.

Bees and BELs are 2 of the reasons I started breeding. They are also 2 of the combos I'm going for this year. Personally I wouldn't buy over half of the bees I see for sale. I guess the problem is that there are far to many sub par examples of pastels being bred. I'm pairing my spider to a pastel female that is extremely light and has tanned slightly but not really browned. I could have used my neon yellow pastel girl, but thought she would be better in a firefly combo. To me high or low whites and wobble take a backseat to the reduced pattern and to how the pastel parent looks as an adult. Best of luck finding what makes you happy though.

Definitely a bee. XD He has some fairly bright yellow on him, just not along his spine. Like I said, not what I would consider a great bee, but his appetite and personality more than make up for it. :)

I'm in the process of moving, but I'll hopefully get some nicer pics of him posted soon.

Here's what I look for in a bee:

Bright, clean yellow. I don't care for "dirty bees" that have lots of speckling or browning out.

Crisp, reduced pattern. The reduced pattern is really optional, but I like for it to be mostly connected, with few if any stray dots or lines.

High white sides are a plus, but also not necessary. Some people prefer the low whites.

Really if you go for bright color and a clean pattern you should be good to go. :gj:

I once saw a bee that was nearly as bright at that GTP. Adult female bee, around 2000 grams. Her back was solid yellow, her stomach gleaming white, her pattern the blackest of black. There was not a stray speckle of black, tan or grey anywhere on her.

She was hands down the most amazing bee I have ever seen, and if I had $3000 she would have been my bee. Unfortunately, I don't and I've never seen her or one like her since then.:tears:

Gale

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I once saw a bee that was nearly as bright at that GTP. Adult female bee, around 2000 grams. Her back was solid yellow, her stomach gleaming white, her pattern the blackest of black. There was not a stray speckle of black, tan or grey anywhere on her.

She was hands down the most amazing bee I have ever seen, and if I had $3000 she would have been my bee. Unfortunately, I don't and I've never seen her or one like her since then.:tears:

Gale

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That was your opportunity to try your hand at being a thief. Or whatever illegal means to get the cash fast.

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That was your opportunity to try your hand at being a thief. Or whatever illegal means to get the cash fast.

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This definitely made me lol!

I like bees to have high white, though I wouldn't turn down a low white bee if it had nice bright color and clean pattern.

I look for a bee that makes hot bee babies :P
http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...b6d4_bcopy.jpg